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`saidumlo doqtrinis~

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Ppirveli tomis stansebis ganxilva

Tbilisi

2011

es gamocema warmoadgens blavatskaias loJis Teosofiuri sazogadoebis sxdomis dros ganxiluli wignis `saidumlo doqtrinis~ masalebs. am masalebis Seswavla ezoterikuli filosofiis aRqmasa da gagebaSi dagexmarebaT.

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`saidumlo doqtrina~ umaRlesi zeSTagonebaa, romelic planetis didma sulebma aCuqes msoflios. elena blavatskaias mier Cawerili `saidumlo doqtrina~ im adamianTa sakuTreba gaxda, romlebic WeSmaritebas eZeben. magram am idumal swavlebaSi mravladaa aRqmisTvis rTuli adgilebi. yvelaze ufro gabundovnebulia Zveli stansebis - `Zianis wignebis~ strofebis – azri. sityva `Zian~ warmoadgens damaxinjebul sanskritis sityvas `dhian~-s an `jnanas~, romelic RvTaebriv codnas niSnavs. 1889 wlis 10 ianvridan 20 ivlisamde londonSi Teosofiuri sazogadoebis sxdomebi tardeboda, romlebzedac elena blavatskaia im stansebs ukeTebda komentars, romlebic `saidumlo doqtrinaSia~ moyvanili, da zogierT sxva metafizikur sakiTxebs aSuqebda. im sxdomaTa stenografiis angariSebi am wignis masala gaxda. rogorc `saidumlo doqtrinis~ SesavalSia naTqvami, `...xangrZlivi, Rrma dumilisa da aTaswleulTa saidumloebis Semdeg axla gadakvriT mJRavndeba arqauli droebis idumali swavlebis zogierTi ZiriTadi WeSmariteba. ganzrax vambob `zogierTi WeSmariteba~, radgan is, rac uTqmeli unda darCes, asobiT msgavs tomebSi ver moTavsdeba, aseve SeuZlebelia misi sadukevelebis Tanamedrove TaobisTvis mindoba. Tumca is mciredi, rac axla mogecaT, ukeTesia, vidre am cxovrebiseul WeSmaritebebze dumili~. `Zianis wignebi~, saidanac stansebia aRebuli, evropis biblioTekebsa da muzeumebSi ar arsebobs. filologebs, aRmosavleTis mcodneebs sul mcire warmodgenac ki ar gaaCniaT maT Sesaxeb. da mxolod ezoterikis erTgul moswavleebs SeeZloT am wignis mTavar ideebs wawydomodnen braminebis literaturis, agreTve Cinuri da tibeturi samonastro literaturis uTvalav tomebSi, radgan iseTi enebi icodnen, rogoricaa sanskriti, tibeturi, pali.

idumali codnis kodireba kriptografiis daxmarebiT xdeboda, romelsac evropuli mentalitetis adamiani gasaRebs ver moargebs. aseTi xelnawerebi Cveulebriv an miwisqveSa taZarSi inaxeboda, an kldeSi gamokveTili gamoqvabulis biblioTekaSi, Tuki monasteri mTaze idga. svami dainand sarasvatim, cnobilma sanskritologma da wmindanma adamianma, romelic indoeTSi me-19 saukuneSi cxovrobda, Tqva: `pirveldawyebiT gamocxadebas hqonda adgili, da igi dRemde arsebobs; aseve igi msofliosTvis arasodes daikargeba da isev gaCndeba...~. magram zRvarsmiRma drois gamocxadeba ganmartebebs saWiroebs, da zogierTi maTgani elena blavatskaias am wignSia mocemuli.

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`saidumlo doqtrinis~stansebis ganxilva

sxdoma 1 [stansa 1 Sl. 1-2] sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889 w. 10 ianvars 20.30 sT b-n t.b. harbotlis TavmjdomareobiT.

Sloka (1) maradiswina deda-mSobeli (sivrce), Tavis safarvlebSi, marad uxilavebSi, dafaruli, kidev erTxel Tvlemda Svidi maradisobis ganmavlobaSi. SekiTxva – aq xsenebuli `sivrce~ prologSi Semdegnairadaa axsnili: ~...absolutur erTianobas ar SeuZlia usasrulobaSi gadavides, radgan usasruloba gulisxmobs `raRacis~ usazRvro sigrZes da am `raRacis~ xangrZlivobas. magram erTiani-yvelaferi, msgavsad sivrcisa, romelic misi erTaderTi gonebaWvretiTi da fizikuri warmodgenaa Cvens dedamiwaze an arsebobis Cvens planze, - SecnobisTvis ar SeiZleba iyos arc obieqti, arc subieqti. SesaZlebeli

rom yofiliyo imis varaudi, rom maradiuli, usasrulo yvelaferi, yvelganmsufevi erTianoba, yofierebisa da maradiulobis magier, perioduli gamJRavnebebis mizeziT SeiZleba mravalferovani samyaro an mravalferovani arseba gaxdes, maSin es erTianoba Sewyvetda aseTad yofnas. lokis idea, rom `sufTa sivrces arc winaaRmdegobis, arc moZraobis unari ar gaaCnia~, arasworia. sivrce arc `usazRvro sicarielea~, arc `pirobiTi sisavse~; igi orive gagebas Seicavs. warmoadgens ra – absoluturi ganyenebulobis planze – marad-Seucnobad RvTaebas, romelic mxolod SezRudul gonebebisTvis warmoadgens sicarieles iluzoruli gonebaWvretis planze, anda plenums (savses), mTeli arsebulis, gamJRavnebulis Tu aragamJRavnebulis sacavs, igi aris absoluturi yvelaferi. ar aris gansxvaveba qristianuli mociqulebis mtkicebebsa - `Cven masSi vcxovrobT da vmoZraobT da gvaqvs Cveni yofiereba ~ da indusi riSebis mtkicebebs - `samyaro cocxlobs, brahmanidan gamodis da kvlav mas ubrundeba~ Soris; radgan brahmani (aragamJRavnebuli) aris es samyaro in abscondito1, gamJRavnebuli brahma ki aris logosi, romelic simbolur orTodoqsalur dogmebSi orsqesiani gaxda; da, amrigad, gandobili mociqulisa da indusi riSis mixedviT, sivrce, rogorc uxilavi, aseve xiluli, RmerTs warmoadgens. ezoterikul simbolizmSi sivrces ewodeba `Svidgzis Semosili maradiuli ded-mama~, radgan aradiferencirebulidan mis diferencirebul zedapiramde igi Svidi fenisgan Sedgeba. `ra aris is, rac iyo, aris da iqneba, miuxedavad imisa, samyaro arsebobs Tu ara, RmerTebi iqnebian Tu ara?~ - kiTxulobs ezoterikuli senzaras katexizisi (qristianuli moZRvrebis mokle gadmocema kiTxva-pasuxis formiT). pasuxi aseTia: `sivrce~2. SekiTxva – magram ratom amboben maradiswina dedis, sivrcis, Sesaxeb rogorc qaluri sawyisisa?

pasuxi – yovelTvis ara, radgan zemoT moyvanil nawyvetSi sivrces ewodeba maradiuli ded-mama; magram mizezi, ris gamoc mis Sesaxeb amboben rogorc qalur sawyisze, aris is, rom, Tumca parabrahmanis gansazRvra SeuZlebelia, magram mainc, raki im pirvelsawyis raRacaze vlaparakobT, romlis gagebac SesaZlebelia, 1 dafaruli (laT.)2 saidumlo doqtrina, t. 1, gverdi 8

Cven mas unda movepyraT rogorc qalur sawyiss. yvela kosmogoniur koncefciebSi pirveli diferenciacia qaluri iTvleboda. parabrahmans mulaprakritis safari malavs, anu faravs; ein sofis (emanirebuli da gavrcobili RvTaebis) pirvel emanacias (universumis gadasvla umaRlesidan dabal, naklebad srulyofil safexurze) sefira, anu sinaTle warmoadgens; Hesiod-Si qaosidan dasawyisSi iqmneba geia (pirvelsawyisi materia), amis Semdeg ki - erosi (Tavdapirveli samebis, romlis SemadgenlobaSic iyvnen urani, geia da erosi, mesame wevri). es meordeba qmnilebis yvela momdevno da naklebad abstraqtul aqtebSi, rogorc, magaliTad, adamis neknidan evas Seqmna da a.S. pirveli yovelTvis qalRmerTi (an qalRmerTebi) Cndeba. pirvel emanacias ubiwo deda warmoadgens, romlisganac RmerTebi, anu antropomorfuli SemoqmedebiTi Zalebi warmoiSvebian. Cven mamrobiTi an mdedrobiTi sqesis xmareba gviwevs, radgan ar SegviZlia neitraluri igi-s xmareba. zustad rom vTqvaT, neitraluri igi-sgan verc gamosxiveba moxdeba, verc emanacia. SekiTxva – identuria Tu ara es pirveli emanacia egvipturi neitisa (mTvaris qalRmerTi egvipteSi)?

pasuxi – sinamdvileSi igi ufro farToa, vidre neiti, magram garkveuli azriT, anu erT-erT Tavis dabal aspeqtSi, igi swored neitia. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom TviT neitraluri igi `Svidgzis Semosil maradiul ded-mamas~ warmoadgens?

pasuxi – savsebiT sworia. indusur filosofiaSi neitraluri igi parabrahmania, romelic brahmas zRvrebs miRmaa. evropaSi mas `miuwvdomels~ uwodeben. sivrce, romlis Sesaxebac Cven vlaparakobT, warmoadgens brahmas qalur, anu mamakacuri sawyisis aspeqts. pirveli diferencirebuli vibraciis dros subieqturi iwyebs emanirebas, anu Crdilis msgavsad obieqturze Camofenas da iqceva imad, rasac Cven samyaros dedas vuwodebT, romlisganac sawyiss iRebs logosi, romelic erTdroulad Ze-sac da mama-RmerTsac warmoadgens. es orive gaumJRavnebelia, pirveli potencialobas warmoadgens, meore ki – Zalas. magram pirveli ar

unda avurioT gamJRavnebul logosTan, romelsac yvela kosmogoniaSi aseve Ze hqvia.

SekiTxva – yovelTvis warmoadgens absoluturi neitraluri igi-s pirveli diferenciacia qalur sawyiss?

pasuxi – mxolod sityvierad. zusti filosofiuri azriT igi usqesoa. magram adamianur gagebaSi pirveli aspeqti, romelsac neitraluri igi iRebs, qalurs warmoadgens, maSin, roca momdevno materializacia nebismieri filosofiuri mimdinareobiT ganixileba Sesabamisi rasis an eris sulierebis doneze damokidebulebiT. magaliTad, Talmudistebis kabalaSi neitraluri igi usasrulo, usazRvro, ukidegano ein-sofad iwodeba (gansazRvras yovelTvis uaryofiTi winsarTi aqvs), romlis absoluturi principi ganixileba rogorc mamrobiTi is! misgan, am usasrulo sinaTlis uaryofiTi usazRvro wrisgan, emanirebas ganicdis pirveli sefira, anu gvirgvini, romelsac Talmudistebi `tora~-s (anu kanons) uwodeben, da ganmartaven, rom igi aris ein-sofis meuRle (coli). es aris sulierisaTvis adamianuri Tvisebebis gadametebuli miniWeba.

SekiTxva – indusur filosofiur mimdinareobebSic igive SeiniSneba?

pasuxi – piriqiT. Tu induizmis kosmogoniebs mivmarTavT, iq ver vnaxavT parabrahmanis xsenebasac ki. maTSi laparakia mxolod mulaprakritis Sesaxeb, romelic parabrahmanis erTgvar safarvels, anu aspeqts, warmoadgens uxilav samyaroSi. mulaprakriti niSnavs bunebis an materiis pirvelsawyiss. magram parabrahmans ar SeiZleba `pirvelsawyisi~ daerqvas, radgan igi yvelafris absolutur umizezo mizezs warmoadgens. amrigad, mulaprakritidan unda daviwyoT, anu imis safarvlidan, raSi Cawvdomac SeuZlebelia. da isev, materiis pirvel planze pirveli vlindeba qalRmerTi-deda rogorc anarekli, anu subieqturi mizezi. amis Semdeg misgan gamodis (an, ufro sworad, masSi imyofeba) gaumJRavnebeli logosi, romelsac, warmoadgens ra erTdroulad Zesac da meuRlesac, hqvia `dafaruli mama~. maTgan warmoiSoba pirveli gamJRavnebuli logosi, anu umaRlesi suli, da Ze, romelic Tavisi substanciidan Svid logoss gamoyofs, romelTa

sinTezic, ganixileba ra rogorc erTi krebiTi Zala, swored xiluli samyaros arqiteqtori xdeba. swored es aris ebraelTa eloximi (emanirebuli aqtiuri da pasiuri arsebi). SekiTxva – sivrcis an Cauwvdomeli RvTaebis (romelsac vedebSi ewodeba `is~ da romelic SemdgomSi moixsenieba) romeli aspeqti warmoadgens `maradiswina deda-mSobels~?

pasuxi – es aris vedantistebis mulaprakriti, budistebis svabhava, anu is androginuli raRaca, romlis Sesaxebac vlaparakobT da romelic diferencirebas ganicdis da arc ganicdis. Tavis pirvel principSi es sufTa abstraqciaa, romelic diferencirebas mxolod maSin ganicdis, rodesac droTa ganmavlobaSi prakritiSi transformirdeba. adamianuri principebidan igi budhis Seesabameba, maSin roca atma parabrahmans Seesabameba, manasi – mahats da a.S.

SekiTxva – maS ras warmoadgens am SemTxvevaSi sivrcis Svidi fena? prologSi xom naTqvamia - `Svidgzis Semosili ded-mama~?

pasuxi – platoni da hermes trismegisti ityodnen, rom es RvTaebrivi azria, aristotelesTvis ki es `ded-mama~ materiis aryofna iqneboda. es aris is, rac yofierebis Svidi plani xdeba, dawyebuli sulieridan, da, fsiqiurze gavliT, materialuriT damTavrebuli. azris Svidi plani, anu cnobierebis Svidi mdgomareoba, yofierebis am Svid plans Seesabameba. yvela am Svidjeradobas Svidi `fena~ simbolizirebs.

SekiTxva – RvTaebrivi ideebi RvTaebriv gonebaSia? magram, RvTaebrivi goneba xom jer ar aris?

pasuxi – RvTaebrivi goneba aris, da igi unda iyos manamde, sanam diferenciacia moxdeba. igi warmoadgens ideebis formirebisa da aRqmis RvTaebriv unars, romelic maradiulia potencialobaSi da periodulia ZalaSi, rodesac igi xdeba mahati, Anima Mundi, anu samyaroebrivi suli. magram gaxsovdeT, rom dasaxelebis miuxedavad, am gagebebidan yovel maTgans aqvs

rogorc Tavisi yvelaze ufro metafizikuri, aseve yvelaze ufro materialuri, agreTve Sualeduri aspeqtebi.

SekiTxva – ra mniSvneloba aqvs sityvebs `marad uxilavi safarvlebi~?

pasuxi – es, raRa Tqma unda, xatovani gamosaxvaa, rogorc nebismieri sxva alegoria aRmosavleTis filosofiur sistemebSi. SesaZloa, es aris hipoTezuri protili (axladSemoRebuli sityva qimiaSi Tavdapirveli, erTgvarovani, maradiswina substanciis aRsaniSnavad), romlis povnasac profesori kruqsi cdilobs, magram Cvens dedamiwaze da arsebobis Cvens planze misi povna SeuZlebelia. es aradiferencirebuli substancia, anu sulieri materiaa.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba iTqvas, rom es aris is, rasac laias (okultizmSi – wertili, romelSiac nivTiereba erTgvarovani xdeba da urTierTkavSirisa da diferencirebis unars kargavs) uwodeben?

pasuxi - `safarvlebi~ da yovelive is, rac mas Seesabameba, laias mdgomareobaSi imyofeba, anu im wertilSi, romlidanac an romlisganac pirvelsawyisi materia diferencirebas iwyebs da aseTnairad warmoSobs samyaros da yvelafer imas, rac masSia (samyaroSi).

SekiTxva – safarvlebs imitom xom ar hqvia `uxilavi~, rom isini raRac diferencirebuli cnobierebisTvis obieqturs ar warmoadgens?

pasuxi – ufro sworad, saboloo cnobierebisTvis isini uxilavia, aseTi cnobiereba rom yofiliyo SesaZlebeli evoluciis im stadiaze. logosisTvisac ki mulaprakriti fardas, anu safarvels warmoadgens, romliTac absolutia Semosili. vedantaSi naTqvamia, rom logossac ki ar SeuZlia absoluts Caswvdes.

SekiTxva – gamarTlebulia Tu ara termin `mulaprakritis~ xmareba?

pasuxi – vedantaSi xmarebuli termini `mulaprakriti~ termin `aditis~ Seesabameba, romelic vedebSi ixmareba. vedantas

filosofia sityvasityviT niSnavs `yvela codnis bolos, anu sinTezs~. amJamad indusuri filosofiis eqvsi skola arsebobs, romelTa mkacri analizi gviCvenebs, rom isini absoluturad eTanxmebian erTmaneTs mTavarSi. isini Tavis safuZvelSi identuria, magram saxelTa uCveulo mravalferovnebas, gverdiTi kiTxvebis, detalebisa da garegnul siaxleTa uzarmazar raodenobas – rogorc, magaliTad, zogierTi emanaciis Sesaxeb, romlebic Tavis sakuTar mamebs warmoadgenen, an mamebis Sesaxeb, romlebic Tavisi sakuTari qaliSvlebis mieraa dabadebulni, - iqamde mihyavs adamiani, rom maTSi SesaZloa mas gza aebnas, rogorc junglebSi. Tqven mier ezoterikuli TvalsazrisiT gamoTqmuli mtkiceba indusma, Tavis sakuTar rwmenaTa sistemidan gamomdinare, SeiZleba uaryos an ukuagdos (Tuki mas aseTi survili aqvs). am eqvsi skolidan yoveli skola Tavis Sexedulebebsa da terminologias icavs. amitom, Tu diskusiis dros erTi skolis terminologia ar iqneba daculi, gaugebrobis didi safrTxe gaCndeba.

SekiTxva – am SemTxvevaSi, SesaZlebelia Tu ara, rom erTi da igive termini filosofiis sxvadasxva mimarTulebebis mier gansxvavebuli gagebebis aRsaniSnavad ixmarebodes? magaliTad, ezoterikaSi sityva `budhi~ niSnavs erTs, sanqhias filosofiaSi ki - meores. es asea?

pasuxi – savsebiT sworia. da sul sxva mniSvneloba aqvs mas viSnu puranaSi, sadac naTqvamia Svidi prakritis Sesaxeb, romlebic emanacias ganicdian mahatidan, rasac aq maha-budhi hqvia. amis miuxedavad, sxvadasxva filosofiuri skolebis ideebi safuZvelSi identuria, Tumca maT mier xmarebuli terminebi gansxvavdebian, da maTi zusti azri gansaxierebaTa abda-ubdaSia dakarguli. albaT, SesaZlebeli rom yofiliyo, CvenTvis ukeTesi iqneboda gagebaTa axali sistemis Seqmna. magram evropul enebSi filosofiuri terminebis ukmarisobis gamo, gansakuTrebiT inglisurSi, es amocana Znelad gansaxorcielebelia.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba Tu ara termin `protili~-is xmareba `laia~-s mdgomareobis aRsaniSnavad?

pasuxi – saeWvoa. profesor kruqsis `protili~ albaT erTsaxe nivTierebis aRsaniSnavad ixmareba yofierebis TviT materialur

planze, maSin, roca substancia, romlis simbolosac `maradiuli ded-mamis safarvlebi~ warmoadgens, materiis meSvide plans ekuTvnis, Tuki aTvlas dablidan maRla vawarmoebT an, ufro sworad, garedan SigniT. SeuZlebelia am substanciis aRmoCena dabal, ufro sworad ki, yvelaze ufro gare, anu materialur planze.

SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi arsebobs Tu ara Svidive planze yoveli planisTvis SedarebiT erTsaxe materia?

pasuxi – arsebobs, magram es materia erTsaxes mxolod maTTvis warmoadgens, romlebic aRqmis erTsa da imave planze imyofebian. amitom, Tu Tanamedrove mecnierebas `protili~ odesme gaexsneba, igi mxolod CvenTvis iqneba erTsaxe. iluzia SeiZleba raRac drois ganmavlobaSi grZeldebodes, SesaZloa meeqvse rasis mosvlamde, radgan kacobrioba mudam icvleba fizikurad, gonebrivad da, imedia, sulierad da sul ufro da ufro srulyofili xdeba yoveli rasisa da qverasis dros.

SekiTxva – Secdoma xom ar iqneba mecnierebaSi ukve xmarebul terminisTvis sxva mniSvnelobis micema? sityva `protoplazma~ odesRac imaves niSnavda, rac sityva `protili~, magram amJamad misi mniSvneloba Seviwroebulia.

pasuxi – ra sakvirvelia, Secdoma iqneba. Tumca berZnuli sityva `hile~ sruliad garkveulad ar ekuTvnoda am planis materias; berZnebma igi qaldeebis kosmogoniidan gadmoiRes, sadac igi uaRresad metafizikurad ixmareboda.

SekiTxva – magram amJamad materialistebi sityva `hile~-s imisTvis xmaroben, rom TiTqmis igive idea gamosaxon, romelsac Cven gamovsaxavT terminiT `mulaprakriti~.

pasuxi – SeiZleba, magram saeWvoa, rom doqtori luisi da misi ramdenime gabeduli hile-idealisti am azrs emxrobodes, radgan maTs sistemaSi metafizikuri mniSvneloba mTlianad ignorirebulia da mxedvelobidan gamoiricxeba.

SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi, SeiZleba, `laia~ sinamdvileSi Yyvelaze ufro marjve terminia?

pasuxi – arc ise, radgan `laia~ arafer konkretuls ar aRniSnavs – arc am, arc sxva planisa. igi niSnavs yofnis mdgomareobas, anu pirobas. es aris sanskritis sityva, romelic raRacis aradiferencirebul da ucvlel mdgomareobaSi myofis ideas gadmoscems, nulovani wertilis mdgomareobisa, romelSiac yovelgvari diferenciacia wydeba.

SekiTxva – pirveli diferenciacia meSvide planis materias amzadebs. aseT SemTxvevaSi, xom ar unda vivaraudoT, rom profesor kruqsis `protili~ aseve meSvide planis materias warmoadgens?

pasuxi – profesor kruqsis idealuri `protili~ aris materia im mdgomareobaSi, romelsac igi `nulovan wertils~ uwodebs.

SekiTxva – sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, am planis `laias~ wertilSi?

pasuxi – arcTu ise gasagebia, profesor kruqss ainteresebs Tu ara sxva planebi, da aRiarebs Tu ara igi maTs arsebobas. misi kvlevis mizans `protilis~ atomi warmoadgens, romelic, vinaidan igi aravis arasodes unaxavs, mxolod da mxolod mecnierebis samuSao hipoTezaa. vinaidan sinamdvileSi ra aris atomi?

SekiTxva – es imis moxerxebuli gansazRvraa, rac savaraudod arsebobs, ufro sworad ki, molekulis dayofis aRwerisaTvis moxerxebuli terminia.

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, albaT axla ukve isini im daskvnamde mividnen, rom `atomi~ imaze ufro moxerxebuli termini ar aris, vidre savaraudo samocdaaTze odnav ufro meti elementis dasaxelebebi. winaT Cveulebad iyo qceuli Zveli drois adamianebis oTx Tu xuT elementze sicili, magram axla profesori kruqsi im daskvnamde mivida, rom zustad rom vTqvaT, iseTi gageba, rogoricaa qimiuri elementi, saerTod ar arsebobs. sinamdvileSi atomis gaxsnamde jer kidev Sorsaa, sanam erTi ubralo molekula mainc ar gaxsnila.

SekiTxva – unda gvaxsovdes, rom daltonma, romelmac am Temaze pirvelma dailaparaka, `atomuri Teoria~ uwoda mas (am Temas).

pasuxi – savsebiT sworia. magram, rogorc ser hamiltonma gviCvena, Tanamedrove samecniero skolebis mier es termini arasworad ixmareba. es skolebi dascinian ra metafizikas, fizikis mimarT sufTa metafizikur gagebas iyeneben. ase, rom dRes `Teoria~ `aqsiomis~ prerogativebis uzurpacias iwyebs.

SekiTxva – ra aris `Svidi maradisoba~, da rogor unda arsebobdes pralaiaSi (pralaia: planetaruli, kosmosuri an samyaroebrivi ganzavebis an simSvidis periodi; - manvantaras, anu gamJRavnebis periodis - sawinaaRmdego) drois aseTi Sualedi, rodesac aravinaa, visac ki drois gacnobiereba SeeZleboda?

pasuxi – Tanamedrove astronomma `ciuri kanonebi~ Zveli drois TanamoZmeze ufro metad ar icis. misTvis SekiTxva rom miecaT, SeuZlia Tu ara `saWiro dros Mazzaroth gamoiZaxos~, da iyo Tu ara igi `imasTan erTad, vinc ca gawela~, igi, rogorc iobi, iZulebuli iqneboda naRvlianad uaryofiTi pasuxi eTqva. miuxedavad amisa, es aranairad ar dauSlis mas mzis, mTvarisa da dedamiwis asakze ifiqros da geologiuri periodebi `gamoTvalos~ im droidan, rodesac adamiani, Segnebuli Tu araSegnebuli, dedamiwaze jer ar cxovrobda. maS ratom ar unda mivceT Zveli drois adamianebs igive privilegia?

SekiTxva – ra saWiroa gamosaxvis - `Svidi maradisoba~ - xmareba?

pasuxi – gamosaxva `Svidi maradisoba~ analogiis ucvleli kanonis mixedviT ixmareba. manvantaras msgavsad pralaiac Svid periodad iyofa; dRec Tormeti saaTisgan Sedgeba da Ramec. xom ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom, radgan RamiT gvZinavs da drois gacnobierebas vwyvetT, e.i. saaTis isrebi win ar midian? manvantaris `dRis~ Semdeg pralaia aris `Rame~. CvenTan aravin aris, da cnobierebas, iseve rogorc yovelive danarCens, sZinavs. magram, vinaidan igi arsebobs da manvantaras dros mTlianad aqtiurobis mdgomareobaSi imyofeba, da vinaidan Tavs

angariSs vaZlevT imaSi, rom analogiisa da periodulobis kanoni urRvevia da rogorc aseTi orive SemTxvevaSi erTnairad moqmedebs, maS ratom ar unda SegveZlos am gamosaxvis xmareba?

SekiTxva – magram, rogor SeiZleba maradisobis daTvla?

pasuxi – SesaZloa, es kiTxva sityva `maradisobis~ saerTo gaugebrobasTan dakavSirebiT daibada. Cven, dasavleTis adamianebi, sakuTar ugunurebas vamJRavnebT, rodesac imis Sesaxeb vmsjelobT, rasac arc dasawyisi aqvs, arc dasasruli, da vfiqrobT, rom Zveli drois moazrovneni igives akeTebdnen. isini ki amas ar akeTebdnen: Zveli drois arcerTi filosofosi arasodes ganixilavda `maradisobas~ rogorc gagrZelebas dasawyisisa da dasasrulis gareSe. arc berZnebis `eonebs~, arc `nerosebs~ ar gaaCniaT es mniSvneloba. sinamdvileSi ar yofila iseTi sityva, swored aseTi azri rom hqonoda. mxolod para-brahmani, ein-sofi da avestis Zeruana-Akerne gamoxataven aseTi maradisobis ideas; danarCeni sxva periodebi, aris ra sasruli da astronomiuli, bazirebulia tropikul wlebze an sxva uzarmazar (xangrZlivobis mixedviT) ciklebze. sityvas `eoni~, romelic bibliaSi naTargmnia rogorc `maradisoba~, ara mxolod sasruli periodis mniSvneloba, aramed aseve angelozis, anu arsis mniSvnelobac aqvs.

SekiTxva – swori iqneba, Tu vityviT, rom pralaias drosac grZeldeba `diadi sunTqva~?

pasuxi – ueWvelad, radgan `diadi sunTqva~ usasruloa da, Tu SeiZleba ase iTqvas, universalur maradiul perpetuum mobile-s warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – Tu es asea, maSin misi periodebad dayofa SeuZlebelia, radgan am SemTxvevaSi SeuZlebeli iqneboda absolutur da savse araras Sesaxeb laparaki. cota ar iyos, araTanmimdevrulia periodebis raRac `ricxvis~ dasaxeleba, Tumca SeiZleboda `diad sunTqvaSi~ mraval amosunTqvasa da CasunTqvaze laparaki.

pasuxi – absoluturi simSvidis ideas azri ar eqneboda, Tuki absoluturi simSvidis sapirwoned absoluturi moZraoba ar iarsebebda. amitom orive gamosaxva tolfasia. aris erTi SesaniSnavi poema pralaiaze, romelic uZvelesi drois riSim dawera. am poemaSi igi pralaias dros diad sunTqvas araSegnebuli okeanis ritmul moZraobas adarebs.

SekiTxva – siZneleni maSin iqmneba, roca sityva `maradisoba~ sityva `eonis~ magivrad ixmareba.

pasuxi – ra saWiroa berZnuli sityvis xmareba, rodesac ufro Cveuli gamosaxva arsebobs, miT umetes, rom es gamosaxva `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ srulad aris ganmartebuli? Tu gnebavT, SegiZliaT maradisobas SedarebiTi uwodoT, an manvantaruli da pralaiuri.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba iTqvas, rom pralaiasa da manvantaras Soris damokidebuleba absoluturad analogiuria Zilsa da sifxizles Soris damokidebulebisa?

pasuxi – mxolod garkveuli azriT. RamiT Cven yvela varsebobT rogorc pirovnebebi da vcxovrobT rogorc individebi, Tumca gvZinavs da SesaZloa amas ver vacnobierebdeT. magram pralaias dros yvela diferencirebuli erTeuli fenomenaluri samyarodan qreba da erTdeba, anu, ufro sworad, erT noumenalur mTlianSi (Seucnobad `rameSi~) gadadis. amitom faqtiurad maT Soris didi gansxvaveba arsebobs.

SekiTxva – Zils `cxovrebis Crdilovan mxares~ uwodeben. SeiZleba pralaias kosmosuri cxovrebis Crdilovani mxare vuwodoT?

pasuxi – garkveuli azriT SeiZleba. pralaia xilulis ganzavebaa uxilavSi, nairgvarovanis - erTgvarovanSi, Sesabamisad, es simSvidis droa. kosmosur materiasac ki, miuxedavad imisa, rom safuZvelSi igi mouSlelia, mosvenebis dro unda hqondes laias mdgomareobaSi dabrunebisTvis. yovlismomcveli erTiani arsis absolutobam erTnairad unda gaamJRavnos Tavi rogorc mosvenebis dros, aseve aqtiurobis drosac.

Sloka (2) dro ar iyo, igi xangrZlivobis usasrulo wiaRSi iyo mosvenebuli.

SekiTxva – ra gansxvavebaa drosa da xangrZlivobas Soris? pasuxi – xangrZlivoba aris; mas arc dasawyisi aqvs, arc dasasruli. rogor unda davarqvaT dro imas, rasac arc dasawyisi aqvs, arc dasasruli? xangrZlivoba usawyiso da usasruloa, dro ki sasrulia.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba iTqvas, rom xangrZlivoba usasrulo gagebaa, dro ki - sasruli gageba?

pasuxi – drois dayofa SeiZleba, xangrZlivobisa ki, yovel SemTxvevaSi Cveni filosofiis Tanaxmad, ar SeiZleba. dro xangrZlivobaSi SeiZleba daiyos, anu erTi droisa da sivrcis CarCoebSi imyofeba, meore ki – am orives zRvrebs iqiT.

SekiTxva – drois gansazRvra mxolod dedamiwis moZraobis mixedviT SeiZleba.

pasuxi – magram drois gansazRvra konceptualuradac SegviZlia.

Sekixva – ufro sworad xangrZlivobis?

pasuxi – ara, drois. rac Seexeba xangrZlivobas, SeuZlebelia misi dayofa an misi raRac etapebis aRniSvna. CvenTvis xangrZlivoba daunawilebeli maradisobaa, absoluturi, da ara pirobiTi.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba Tu ara, iTqvas, rom xangrZlivobis mTavari idea arsebobaa?

pasuxi – ara. arseboba drois gansazRvruli SualedebiTaaSemosazRvruli, xangrZlivobas ki arc dasawyisi aqvs, arcdasasruli, da igi srulyofil abstraqcias warmoadgens,

romelic Tavis TavSi dros Seicavs. xangrZlivoba sivrcesedreba. igi abstraqcias warmoadgens; mas arc dasawyisi aqvs,arc dasasruli. mxolod konkretizaciisa da SezRudvisSemdeg SeiZleba misi warmodgena da raimed gaxdoma. ra

Tqmaunda, or wertils Soris manZils sivrces uwodeben; igiSeiZleba iyos uzarmazari an usasrulod mcire, da maincyovelTvis sivrce iqneba. magram yvela msgavsi maxasiaTebeliadamianis aRqmis kategorias warmoadgens. sinamdvileSi sivrcearis is, rasac Zveli drois moazrovneebi erTian uxilav daSeucnobel (amJamad Seucnobad) RvTaebas uwodebdnen.

SekiTxva – am SemTxvevaSi, warmoadgens ra abstraqtulad erT mTlians, dro igivea, rac sivrce?

pasuxi – rogorc ori abstraqcia, isini erTi da igive SeiZleba iyos, magram ufro swori iqneboda, Tuki amas xangrZlivobasa da abstraqtul sivrces mivawerdiT, vidre drosa da sivrces.

SekiTxva – sivrce yvela gamJRavnebis obieqturi, xolo dro – subieqturi mxarea. sinamdvileSi isini usazRvroebis erTaderT atributebs warmoadgens. Tumca, albaT, atributi arc Tu ise moxerxebuli sityvaa, radgan isini usazRvroebasTan erTnairi ganfenilobisani arian. magram SeiZleba sawinaaRmdego azri daibados, rom isini mxolod da mxolod Cveni sakuTari inteleqtis warmonaSobia an ubralod formebia, romelTa gareT Cven arafris aRqma ar SegviZlia.

pasuxi – es hgavs Cveni megobrebis – hile-idealistebis – argumentebs, magram mocemul SemTxvevaSi laparakia noumenalur, da ara fenomenalur samyaroze. okultur katexizisSi (ix. `saidumlo doqtrina~) aris SekiTxva: `ra arsebobs mudmivad da risi ararsebobis warmodgenaa SeuZlebeli, rogorc ar unda vecadoT?~ pasuxi aseTia: `sivrce~. samyaroSi SeiZleba arc adamiani iyos, romelic masze ifiqrebda, arc Tvali, romelic mas aRiqvamda, arc tvini, romelic mas igrZnobda, magram, miuxedavad amisa, sivrce aris, mudam iyo da mudam iqneba. igi moucilebelia.

SekiTxva – SesaZloa imitom, rom ar SegviZlia masze ar vifiqroT?

pasuxi – Cvens fiqrebs kiTxvasTan araviTari kavSiri ara aqvs. Tu SegiZliaT, scadeT ifiqroT raimeze, rac sivrceSi ar aris, da gaigebT, rom amis warmodgena SeuZlebelia. sivrce arsebobs iq, sadac meti araferi ar aris, da unda arsebobdes imisda miuxedavad, Tu samyaro ras warmoadgens: absolutur vakuums TuU pleromaTi (RvTaebrivi samyaroTi an samyaroebrivi suliT) Sevsils.

SekiTxva – Tanamedrove filosofosebma yvelaferi iqamde daiyvanes, rom dro da sivrce mxolod atributebia, SemTxveviTobebia, da meti araferi.

pasuxi – isini marTalni iqnebodnen, Tavisi daskvnebi WeSmariti mecnierebis Sedegi rom yofiliyo, da ara avidiasi da maiasi (arcodnisa da iluziis). CvenTvis cnobilia, rom budam Tqva: nirvanac ki, bolo jamSi, mxolod maiaa, anu iluzia. magram ufali buda Tavis mtkicebebs codniT asabuTebda, da ara monagoniT.

SekiTxva – magram, warmoadgens Tu ara maradiuli sivrce da xangrZlivoba usazRvroebis erTaderT atributs?

pasuxi – sivrce da xangrZlivoba maradiulia da amitom ar SeiZleba atributebad iwodebodes, radgan isini usazRvroebis mxolod aspeqtebs warmoadgens. zustad aseve, usazRvroebas, Tu masSi absolutur princips vigulisxmebT, araviTari atributebis qona saerTod ar SeuZlia, radgan mxolod imas SeuZlia kidev raimesTan hqondes damokidebuleba, rac TviTon warmoadgens sasruls da Sepirobebuls. filosofiuri TvalsazrisiT es yvelaferi arasworia.

SekiTxva – SeuZlebelia warmodgena materiisa, romelic ar grZeldeba, da gagrZelebisa, romelic raRacis gagrZelebas ar warmoadgens. exeba Tu ara es umaRles planebsac? da Tu exeba, maSin ra nivTiereba avsebs absolutur sivrces, da analogiuria Tu ara igi am sivrcisa?

pasuxi – Tu Tqvens ganaTlebul inteleqts ar ZaluZs materiis raime sxva saxe warmoidginos, maSin SesaZloa, naklebad ganaTlebul, magram sulieri aRqmisTvis ufro metad Ria inteleqts es SeuZlia. imis gamo, rom Tqven amas ambobT, ar unda vifiqroT, rom sivrcis amdagvari koncefcia erTaderTi SesaZlebelia, Cvens dedamiwazec ki. imitom rom arsebobis Cvens planzec ki adamianuris garda inteleqtis sxva mravalferovani formebic arsebobs, romlebic xilul da uxilav arsebs axasiaTebT, dawyebuli subieqturi maRali da dabali arsebidan, obieqturi cxovelebiTa da umdablesi organizmebiT damTavrebuli, mokled rom vTqvaT, `devadan (ciuri arseba – keTili, boroti an neitraluri) spilomde, elementalidan (stiqiis Zalebi. arsebebi, romlebic oTx samefoSi an stiqiaSi viTardebian – miwaSi, haerSi, cecxlsa da wyalSi. isini ufro bunebis Zalebi arian, vidre eTeruli mamakacebi da qalebi) WianWvelamde~. amJamad – aRqmisa da cnobierebis sakuTari donis mimarT – WianWvelas inteleqti sulac ar aris Cvensaze uaresi, radgan, marTalia WianWvelas ar SeuZlia sityvebiT azris gamoTqma, magram, garda instiqtisa, rogorc Cven yvelam viciT, Zalian ganviTarebuli azrovnebis unari aqvs. amgvarad, viciT ra Cvens sakuTar planze cnobierebisa da gonebis mdgomareobis aseTi didi raodenobis Sesaxeb (Tu, ra Tqma unda, okultizmis swavlebas vendobiT), neba ar gvaqvs mxolod Cvens sakuTar adamianur cnobierebas vuwevdeT angariSs, TiTqosda sxva, Cvenis garda, cnobiereba ar arsebobdes. da Tu ver vbedavT ganvsazRvroT, ramdenad farToa mweris cnobiereba, ratom vbedavT Cveni planiT SemovsazRvroT cnobiereba, romlis Sesaxebac mecnierebisTvis araferia cnobili?

SekiTxva – ratom ara? eWvgareSea, bunebriv mecnierebas SeuZlia aRmoaCinos yovelive is, rac unda iqnas aRmoCenili, WianWvelas Sesaxebac ki.

pasuxi – es Tqven fiqrobT ase. okultistisTvis ki msgavsi rwmena uadgiloa, miuxedavad ser jon labokis YmTeli mcdelobisa. mecnierebs SeuZliaT ivaraudon, magram axlandeli meTodebiT isini Tavisi varaudebis utyuarobas verasodes SeZleben. mecniers rom SesZleboda droebiT WianWvelad qceuliyo, WianWvelasaviT efiqra, da Tavis cnobierebasTan dabrunebisas am gamocdilebis Sesaxeb mogoneba SeenarCunebina, albaT mxolod maSin

ecodineboda raime am saintereso mwerze. magram igi adamiania, da mas SeuZlia mxolod ivaraudos da WianWvelas moqmedebaze dakvirvebis safuZvelze daskvnebi gaakeTos.

SekiTxva – e.i. droisa da sivrcis Sesaxeb WianWvelas warmodgena Cvensas ar emTxveva? amis Tqma gindaT?

pasuxi – diax. WianWvelas Cveni ki ara, Tavisi warmodgena gaaCnia droisa da sivrcis Sesaxeb, da es warmodgena sruliad sxva plans ganekuTvneba, da amitom ufleba ar gvaqvs uarvyoT a priori (cnobierebisTvis dasabamidan damaxasiaTebeli codna) sxva planebis arseboba mxolod imitom, rom ar SegviZlia maT Sesaxeb warmodgena SeviqmnaT. miuxedavad amisa, es planebi arsebobs – planebi ramdenadme ufro maRla, vidre Cveni, an ufro dabla, ris mowmobasac WianWvela warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – am TvalsazrisiT gamodis, rom cxovelsa da adamians Soris gansxvaveba imaSi mdgomareobs, rom pirveli ibadeba unarTa met-naklebad savse nakrebiT da, gavrcobilad rom vTqvaT, praqtikulad metad aRar viTardeba, im dros, roca meore mudam swavlobs da srulyofildeba. mTeli saqme amaSi xom ar aris?

pasuxi – swored amaSia saqme. magram ar unda daviviwyoT, Tu ratom: imitom ki ara, rom adamians erTi `principiT~ ufro meti aqvs, vidre erT cicqna mwers, aramed imitom rom adamiani srulyofili cxovelia, srulad ganviTarebuli monadis (erTianoba, erTi; okultizmSi – gaerTianebuli triada, atma-budhi-manasi, adamianis ukvdavi nawili) gamtaria; igi TviTSemcnebeli da Tavisi ganviTarebis dasaxuli gziT mavalia, maSin roca mweris an maRalganviTarebuli cxovelis principTa umaRlesi triada absoluturad mTvlemare mdgomareobaSia.

SekiTxva – arsebobs Tu ara cnobiereba an Segnebuli arseba, romelic gamJRavnebis pirveli pulsaciidan dros Seignebs da Sualedebad Yyofs? Tavis leqciaSi `bhagavad gitas~ Sesaxeb batoni suba rou pirvel logosSi, rogorc Cans, cnobierebasac gulisxmobs da gonebasac.

pasuxi – magram igi ar xsnis, romel logoss miuTiTebs. amasTa, vfiqrob, igi zogadad laparakobs. ezoterikul filosofiaSi pirvels gaumJRavnebeli warmoadgens, meores ki – gamJRavnebuli logosi. meoreSi iSvara igulisxmeba, gaumJRavnebel logosSi ki – naraiana. suba rou advaitisti da mecnieri-vedantistia, da igi yvelafers Tavisi TvalsazrisiT ganmartavs. Cven ki Cveni TvalsazrisiT ganvmartavT. `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ imas, risganac gamJRavnebuli logosi ibadeba, maradiuli ded-mama ewodeba, viSnu puranaSi ki igi aRiwereba rogorc samyaroebrivi kvercxi, romelic Svidi garsiT, SreTi, anu eonebiTaa garemoculi. am samyaroebriv kvercxSi Caisaxa swored brahma rogorc mamakacuri sawyisi, da swored es brahma warmoadgens sinamdvileSi meore logoss an mesamesac ki miRebuli numeraciis Sesabamisad. eWvgareSea, igi ar warmoadgens pirvels, anu umaRless, anu wertils, romelic yvelganaa da arsad ar aris. ezoterikul interpretaciaSi mesame logoss, anu Svidi SemoqmedebiTi sxivis sinTezs, anu Svid logoss, sinamdvileSi mahati warmoadgens. Svidi e.w. qmnilebidan mahati mesames warmoadgens, radgan igi samyaroebrivi da gonieri sulia, RvTaebrivi unaria ideebis Seqmnisa da aRqmisa, yvela sagnebisa da movlenebis idealuri gegmebisa da prototipebis CaTvliT, rogorc gamJRavnebul, aseve subieqtur samyaroSi. sanqhiasa da puranebis doqtrinebSi mahati warmoadgens pradhanas – qSetra-jnias gasulierebuli suli-substanciis – pirvel warmoebuls. ezoterikul filosofiaSi Cvens gamasulierebel egoebs qSetra-jniaebs uwodeben.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba Tu ara am SemTxvevaSi iTqvas, rom Cvens obieqtur samyaroSi igi pirveli gamJRavnebaa?

pasuxi – igi masSi pirvel princips warmoadgens, romelic RvTaebrivi grZnobebiT SeigrZnoba da aRiqveba, da ara adamianuriT. magram Tu aTvlas Seucnobadidan daviwyebT, aRmoCndeba, rom igi mesamea da manass, ufro sworad ki, budhi-manass Seesabameba.

SekiTxva – e.i. pirveli logosi pirveli wertilia wreSi?

pasuxi – es wertili aris wreSi, romelsac sazRvrebi ar gaaCnia, agreTve araviTari saxelis an atributis qona ar SeuZlia. es pirveli

gaumJRavnebeli logosi erTdroulia xazisa, romelic wris diametrzea gavlebuli. pirveli xazi an diametri ded-mamaa; misgan meore logosi gamodis, romelic Seicavs mesames – gamJRavnebul sityvas. magaliTisTvis, puranebSi naTqvamia, rom akaSas (faqizi, zemgrZnobiare sulieri arsi, romelic mTel sivrces avsebs) pirvel warmoebuls xma warmoadgens, xma ki mocemul SemTxvevaSi niSnavs sityvas, azris gaxmovanebul gamoxatvas. es berZnebis, platonikebisa da wm. ioanes swored is gamJRavnebuli logosia. doqtori uilsoni da sxva aRmosavleTmcodneni am indusur gagebas exmaurebian, rogorc absurduls, radgan maTTvis akaSa da qaosi identuria. magram, rom scodnodaT, rom akaSa da pradhana mxolod da mxolod erTi da igives or aspeqts warmoadgens, da rom axsovdeT, rom mahati, ideebis formirebisa da aRqmis RvTaebrivi unari, Cvens planze swored im gamJRavnebul xmas an logoss warmoadgens, sakuTar Tavze da umecrebaze gaecinebodaT.

SekiTxva – ra igulisxmeba cnobierebaSi, romelic dros swvdeba, Semdeg abzacSi? SezRudulia Tu ara drois gacnobiereba sifxizlis fizikuri cnobierebis planiT? Tu igi ufro maRal planebze imyofeba? `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ naTqvamia, rom `dro mxolod iluziaa, romelic Cveni cnobierebis mdgomareobaTa Tanamimdevruli monacvleobebiT iqmneba maradisobaSi Cveni mogzaurobis ganmavlobaSi, da igi ar arsebobs iq, sadac cnobiereba ar aris~.

pasuxi – mocemul SemTxvevaSi mxedvelobaSia cnobiereba mxolod Cvens planze, da ara maradiuli RvTaebrivi cnobiereba, romelsac Cven absoluts vuwodebT. am sityvis mocemul mniSvnelobaSi drois gacnobiereba ar arsebobs ZilSic ki, da, ra Tqma unda, miT umetes, ar SeiZleba absoluturisTvis iyos damaxasiaTebeli. xom ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom zRvas drois gageba gaaCnia, rodesac misi talRebi moZraobs da napirs ritmulad exeTqeba? ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom absoluts aqvs cnobiereba an, ukidures SemTxvevaSi, iseTi cnobiereba, rogoric Cven gvaqvs. mas ar gaaCnia arc cnobiereba, arc Jini, arc survilebi, arc azrebi, radgan igi absoluturi azria, absoluturi survilia, absoluturi cnobierebaa, absoluturi yvelaferia.

SekiTxva - es is aris, rasac Cven yofierebiTobas an SAT-s vuwodebT?

pasuxi – Cveni kargi kritikosebi sityva `yofierebiTobas~ Sesaqcevad miiCneven, magram sanskritis sityva SAT-s sxvagvarad ver gadaTargmni. es ar aris arseboba, radgan sityva `arseboba~ mxolod movlenebis mimarTebaSi SeiZleba gamoiyeno da arasodes noumenis mimarTebaSi. am laTinuri sityvis (existere) TviT etimologia msgavs mtkicebas ewinaaRmdegeba, radgan ex niSnavs `-dan~, `-gan~ an `-idan~, sistere ki niSnavs `dgomas~. aqedan gamomdinare, igi niSnavs im raRacas, romelic Cndeba iq, sadac winaT ar iyo. amas garda, `arseboba~ niSnavs im raRacas, romelsac dasawyisi da dasasruli aqvs. maS rogor unda Seufardo es sityva imas, rac mudam iyo da razedac ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom igi odesRac sxva ramedan gamovida?

SekiTxvaA- iudevelebis ieRova `me var~ iyo.

pasuxi – ormazdic, da Zveli drois mazdelebis axura mazdac (zoroastrelebis an Tanamedrove parsebis RmerTi). am mniSvnelobiT yovel adamians zustad iseve, rogorc yovel RmerTs, Tavisi arsebobiT SeuZlia itrabaxos da Tqvas: `me var is, rac var~.

SekiTxva – magram, es xom udavoa, rom `yofierebiToba~ rogorRac dakavSirebulia sityvasTan `yofna~.

pasuxi – diax, magram `yofierebiToba~ ar aris `yofiereba~, radgan igi ramdenadme arayofierebasac warmoadgens. ar SegviZlia es warmovidginoT, radgan Cveni inteleqti sasrulia, ena ki ufro SezRuduli da SeboWili, vidre goneba. am SemTxvevaSi rogor unda gamovxatoT is, romlis warmodgenac mxolod rigi uaryofobis gamoyenebis Sedegad SeiZleba?

SekiTxva – germanelisTvis ufro advilia sityva `sein~-is gamoxatva; `Das Sein~ sityva `yofadobis~ kargi eqvivalentia. inglisels, am sityvis pirvelad gagebisas, SeiZleba igi absurduli eCvenos, magram germanelisTvis `Das Sein~ Cveuli sityvaa,

romelic Cveul ideas gamoxatavs. magram Cven droisa da sivrcis Sesaxeb vlaparakobT.

pasuxi - es cnobiereba sasrulia, radgan dasawyisi da dasasruli aqvs. magram sad vnaxoT sityva iseTi sasruli cnobierebisTvis, romelsac, maias wyalobiT, jer kidev sjera, rom igi usasruloa? devaCanis (`RmerTebis savane~. or miwier cxovrebas Soris Sualeduri mdgomareoba, romelSic ego Sedis) mkvidrnic ki ver acnobiereben dros. devaCanSi mudam awmyoa, iq ar aris warsuli, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi ego mas gaixsenebda da inanebda; iq ar aris momavali, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi ego masSi moxvedras isurvebda. amrigad, gasagebia, rom devaCani netari mdgomareobaa, romelSiac yvelaferi awmyoSi imyofeba. devaCanis mkvidrs drois Sesaxeb warmodgena ara aqvs. misTvis yvelaferi, rogorc naTel sizmarSi, realobaa.

SekiTxva – magram sizmarSi SegviZlia naxevar wamSi mTeli Cveni cxovreba davinaxoT, cnobierebis mdgomareobis mwkrivi da erTi meoreze mimyoli momxdari movlenebi gavacnobieroT.

pasuxi – mxolod Zilis dasrulebisas, Zilis dros aseTi gacnobiereba ar arsebobs.

SekiTxva – xom SeiZleba sizmris mogonebebi SevadaroT adamians, romelic suraTis aRweris dros iZulebulia mis calkeul nawilebsa da detalebze SeCerdes, imitom rom mas ar SeuZlia Tavis Tanamosaubres igi mTlianobaSi warudginos?

pasuxi – es Zalian kargi analogiaa.

sxdoma 2 (stansa 1 Sl. 3-4)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889 w. 17 ianvars t.b. harbotlis TavmjdomareobiT.

stansa 1 (gagrZeleba) Sloka (3) samyaroebrivi goniereba ar iyo. vinaidan ar iyo ah-hi (ciuri arsebebi), raTa moeTavsebinaT (da Sesabamisad gaemJRavnebinaT) igi.

SekiTxva – TiTqos am SlokaSi laparakia imis Sesaxeb, rom samyaroebrivi goniereba ah-his gareSe ar arsebobs, magram komentarSi naTqvamia, rom: `...pralaias dros samyaroebrivi goniereba rCeba rogorc gonebrivi moRvaweobis mudmivi SesaZlebloba anda rogorc is abstraqtuli da absoluturi azri, romlis konkretul da SedarebiT gamJRavnebasac goniereba warmoadgens. ah-hi (dhian-koganebi)... warmoadgenen Suamavlebs RvTaebrivi, anu samyaroebrivi, azrisa da nebis gamJRavnebisTvis: isini gonieri Zalebi arian, romlebic bunebaSi mis kanonebs iZlevian da amyareben, da, amave dros, TviTonac im kanonebis Tanaxmad moqmedeben, romlebic maT analogiuri saxiT dauwesdaT kidev ufro maRali Zalebis mier... es aris ierarqia sulieri arsebebisa, romelTa meSveobTac samyaroebrivi goniereba mJRavneba...~. komentarebi Seicavs im azrs, rom TviTon ah-hi ar warmoadgenen samyaroebriv gonierebas. isini mxolod gamtarebia mis gasamJRavneblad.

pasuxi – vfiqrob am Slokas mniSvneloba kargadaa gasagebi. aq igulisxmeba, rom pralaias dros saboloo diferencirebuli gonierebebi ar arsebobs; goniereba TiTqos saerTod ar aris, radgan araferi ar aris, rasac misi mocva da SegrZneba SeeZleboda. ar aris araferi, rasac absoluturi gonierebis miReba da asaxva SeeZleboda, Sesabamisad, igi ar arsebobs. yovelive is, rac

absoluturi da ucvleli SAT-is (yofadobis) gareTaa, aucileblad sasruli da ganpirobebulia, radgan mas dasawyisi da dasasruli aqvs. Sesabamisad, radgan `ar iyo ah-hi~, amitomac ar iyo samyaroebrivi goniereba gamJRavnebaSi. aucileblad unda ganvasxvaoT absoluturi goniereba, romelic mudam arsebobs, da misi asaxva da gamJRavneba ah-hiSi, romlebic, imyofebian ra umaRles planze, manvantaris pirveli vibraciis dros samyaroebriv gonierebas ireklaven koleqtiurad. amis Semdeg isini dabali Zalebis evoluciaze iwyeben muSaobas yvela Svid planze, maT Soris Cveni sakuTari, umdablesi planis, CaTvliT. ah-hi warmoadgenen pirvelad Svid sxivs, anu logosebs, romlebic pirveli logosidan, samobiTidan, magram Tavisi arsiT erTianidan, gamovidnen. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom ah-hi da samyaroebrivi goniereba erTmaneTs avseben? pasuxi – sulac ara. samyaroebrivi, anu absoluturi, goniereba mudam arsebobs rogorc pralaias dros, aseve manvantaris drosac; igi ucvlelia. ah-hi ki warmoadgenen umaRles dhianebs, anu, logosebs, romlebic damaval ganviTarebas, anu emanacias, iwyeben. pralaias dros ah-hi ar arian, isini Cndebian mxolod samyaroebrivi gonierebis pirveli gamosxivebis dros. am gonierebas ki per se1 diferencirebulad yofna ar SeuZlia. misi gamosxiveba manvantaris pirvel ganTiads warmoadgens. absoluti mZinare, latenturi gonierebaa, da igi ar SeiZleba sxva ram iyos WeSmarit metafizikur gagebaSi. diferencirdeba mxolod misi Crdili, ris Sedegadac dhianebi Cndebian. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom cnobiereba absoluturi iyo, axla ki aseTad yofna Sewyvita? pasuxi – es cnobiereba maradiulobis TvalsazrisiT absoluturia, da es cnobiereba periodulad yoveli `manvantaris ganTiadis~ dros SedarebiTi cnobiereba xdeba. warmovidginoT es latenturi, anu potenciuri, cnobiereba rogorc vakuumi WurWelSi. WurWels Tu gavtexT, ra mouva vakuums? sad unda veZeboT igi? is gaqra. igi yvelganaa da arsad ar aris. igi raRacaa, magram amave dros araferia, vakuumia da amave dros plenumia. magram

1 TavisTavad (laT.)

sinamdvileSi ras warmoadgens vakuumi Tanamedrove mecnierebis gagebiT, erTgvarovan raRacas Tu sxva rames? SesaZloa absoluturi vakuumi Cveni warmodgenis nayofia, absoluturi uaryofaa, savaraudo sivrcea, sadac araferi ar aris? davuSvaT, rom es asea. gavtexoT WurWeli da, yovel SemTxvevaSi, Cveni aRqmisTvis iq araferi iqneba. amitom stansaSi amis Sesaxeb Zalian sworad aris naTqvami: `samyaroebrivi goniereba ar iyo~, radgan ar iyo gamtari imisaTvis, rom igi moeTavsebina. SekiTxva – romeli umaRlesi Zalebi ganapirobeben ah-his? pasuxi – ar SeiZleba maT maRali Zalebi ewodoT. ufro swori iqneboda Zalis, an, SesaZloa, potenciurobis Tqma. ah-hi ganpirobebulia perioduli universaluri kanonis mimarT gamoRviZebiT. am kanonis aqtiuri da pasiuri fazebi mudam monacvleoben. swored am kanoniTaa isini ganpirobebuli an warmoqmnili, da ara Seqmnili. filosofiaSi dauSvebelia sityva `Seqmnilis~ xmareba. SekiTxva – e.i. es Zala, anu potenciuroba, romelic ah-his win uZRvis da romelic maTze maRlaa, aris swored is kanoni, romelic gamJRavnebis aucileblobas gansazRvravs? pasuxi – swored asea – perioduli gamJRavnebisa. rodesac amis dro dgeba, kanoni ZalaSi Sedis da gamJRavnebis kibis pirvel safexurze ah-hi Cndebian. SekiTxva – es, ra Tqma unda, sruliad gansazRvruli, da ara ganyenebuli, kanonia? pasuxi – savsebiT sworia. radgan igi absoluturia da ar SeiZleba meorexarisxovani iyos, igi TviT absoluturobaa da ara atributi. SekiTxva – yvelaze Zneli am kanonis axsnaa. pasuxi – pirveli gamJRavnebisa da umaRlesi mizezobriobis CarCoebidan gamosvla sakmaod Znelia. am ukanasknelis Sesaxeb zerele warmodgenac ki rom miviRoT, mTeli Cveni SezRuduli inteleqti unda davZaboT. rac ar unda vecadoT, SezRudulobis gamo ver mivuaxlovdebiT absoluts, romelic CvenTvis, Cveni ganviTarebis amJamindel doneze, mxolod da

mxolod logikur varauds warmoadgens, Tumca es varaudi mravali aTaswleulis winaT iRebs dasawyiss. SekiTxva – gansaxilveli Slokas mimarTebiT, ufro swori xom ar iqneboda `samyaroebrivi gonierebis~ magier termini `kosmosuri goniereba~ gvexmara? pasuxi – ara. kosmosuri goniereba mesame stadiaze, anu safexurze Cndeba, da igi gamJRavnebuli samyaros zRvrebiTaa Semofargluli. puranebSi mahati (gonierebis diadi principi, anu inteleqti) Svidi qmnilebidan mxolod mesamis dros, anu evoluciis mesame etapze Cndeba. kosmosuri goniereba aris mahati an RvTaebrivi SesaZlebloba ideebis Seqmnisa da aRqmisaTvis aqtiur (SemoqmedebiT) moqmedebaSi, da, maSasadame, igi aris potenciuri maradiuli samyaroebrivi gonierebis mxolod da mxolod perioduli gamJRavneba droSi da in actu (umoqmedobaSi). Tu WeSmaritebas mkacrad mivyvebiT, samyaroebrivi goniereba (absolutis mxolod da mxolod kidev erTi dasaxeleba), es aris ideebis Seqmnisa da aRqmis kosmosuri unari an goniereba droisa da sivrcis gareT; igi mxolod erT-erTi aspeqtia imisa, romelic cvlilebebs ar eqvemdebareba, romelic mudam iyo, aris da iqneba. maSasadame, kidev erTxel vambob, rom Slokas azri imaSia, rom ar iyo ideebis Seqmnisa da aRqmis samyaroebrivi unari, anu, igi aRqmisTvis ar arsebobda, radgan ar iyvnen gonieri arsebani, romlebsac misi aRqma SeeZlebodaT, imitom rom kosmosuri goniereba jer kidev latenturi an, mxolod da mxolod potenciuri iyo. vinaidan stansebSi laparakia gamJRavnebis Sesaxeb, Cven iZulebulnii varT isini mxolod aseTi, da ara sxva saxiT, vTargmnoT. SekiTxva – sityva `kosmosurs~ vxmarobT gamJRavnebuli samyaros mimarT mis yvela formaSi. SlokaSi, rogorc Cans, laparakia ara amis Sesaxeb, aramed pirvel absolutur cnobierebaze an aracnobierebaze. ise moCans, TiTqos masSi igulisxmeba, rom absolutur cnobierebas ar SeeZlo yofiliyo is samyaroebrivi goniereba, vinaidan igi ar iyo da ver gamoisaxeboda, anu mas ar gaaCnda gamosaxvis saSualebebi. magram amaze dava SeiZleba. Tumca mas gamosaxvis saSualebebi ar gaaCnda, magram mainc arsebobda. SeiZleba iTqvas, rom, SAT-is msgavsad, igi iyo da ar iyo?

pasuxi – es axsnas ver daexmareba. SekiTxva – rodesac laparakia, rom igi ar iyo, igulisxmeba Tu ara, rom is absolutSi ar iyo? pasuxi – aranairi saxiT. ubralod `igi ar iyo~. SekiTxva – ra Tqma unda, am gagebebs Soris gansxvavebaa, radgan, rom gveTqva: `igi iyo~, SAT-is Sesaxeb Cveni warmodgena Zalian calmxrivi iqneboda. es iqneboda tolmniSvnelovani rwmunebisa, rom SAT aris yofiereba. amis miuxedavad, vinmem SeiZleba Tqvas, rom fraza `samyaroebrivi goniereba ar iyo~ im konteqstSi, romelSiac igi ixmareba, varaudobs, rom igi aris gamJRavneba. magram goniereba gamJRavneba ar aris. pasuxi – goniereba ideebis formirebis procesSi gamJRavnebas warmoadgens, magram samyaroebrivi goniereba igive ar aris, radgan absolutisgan raime ganpirobebul an SedarebiT moqmedebas ar unda elodoT. ideebis samyaroebrivi warmoqmna ah-his gamoCenasTan erTad daiwyo da manvantaris ganmavlobaSi grZeldeba. SekiTxva – romel kosmosur plans ganekuTvnebian aq naxsenebi ah-hi? pasuxi – isini ganekuTvnebian pirvel, meore da mesame planebs, romelTagan ukanaskneli sinamdvileSi warmoadgens gaumJRavneblis obieqturi asaxvis pirveladi gamJRavnebis sastarto wertils. iseve, rogorc piTagoras manasi, pirveli logosi, rogorc ki pirvel triadas gamoasxivebs, dumilsa da sibneleSi qreba. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es imas, rom sami logosi, romelic makrokosmosSi pirveladi gamosxivebiT warmoiSva, Seesabameba atmas, budhis da manass mikrokosmosSi? pasuxi – swored asea. isini Seesabameba maT magram erTmaneTSi ar unda avurioT. Cven axla vlaparakobT makrokosmosze evoluciis dasawyisis momentSi manvantaris ganTiadis pirveli vibraciis dros, da ara adamianis mikrokosmosze.

SekiTxva – erTdroulad gamosxivdeba Tu ara sami plani, romlebsac sami logosi miekuTvneba, Tu isini erTimeorisgan viTardeba? pasuxi – didi Secdomaa – meqanikuri kanonebis gamoyeneba umaRlesi kosmogoniuri metafizikis mimarT an droisa da sivrcis mimarT, rogoric Cven viciT, radgan arc erTi, arc meore maSin ar arsebobda. triadis asaxva drosa da sivrceSi, anu obieqtur samyaroSi, mogvianebiT xdeba. SekiTxva – iyvnen Tu ara ah-hi wina manvantarebSi adamianebi, Tu Semdeg iqcevian? pasuxi – nebismieri cocxali arseba, misi saxis miuxedavad, iyo, aris an iqneba adamiani ama Tu im manvantaraSi. SekiTxva – rCebian Tu ara isini mocemul manvantaraSi erTi da igive Zalian maRal planze mTeli Tavisi cxovrebis ciklis ganmavlobaSi? pasuxi – Tu cxovrebis ciklSi gulisxmobT drois monakveTs, romlis xangrZlivobac TxuTmetniSniani ricxviT izomeba, maSin Cemi pasuxi garkveulad uaryofiTi iqneba. ah-hi yvela planSi gadian; isini mesame planidan iwyeben gamJRavnebas. rogorc yvela sxva ierarqiebi umaRles planebze, isini warmoadgenen arupa-s, anu uformoebs, usxeuloebs, aramaterialurebs, sufTa sulebs. meore planze isini pirvelad uaxlovdebian rupa-s, anu formas. mesameze manasa-putras xdebian, anu imad iqcevian, vinc adamianebad xorcieldebian. yovel planze gavlisas isini sxvadasxvagvarad iwodebian. maTi pirvelsawyisi Tanagvari substancia (Cven mas substancias vuwodebT, Tumca sinamdvileSi igi ar warmoadgens im substancias, romlis warmodgenac Cven SegviZlia) mudam diferencirebas ganicdis. mogvianebiT isini rupa xdebian, anu eTerul formas iZenen. SekiTxva – am SemTxvevaSi ra mosdiT ah-his am manvantaraSi? pasuxi – isini aRar arseboben. isini didi xania planetarulebi, mziurebi, mTvariseulebi da, bolos, ganxorcielebuli egoebi gaxdnen, imitom rom, rogorc ukve iTqva, `isini sulier arsebaTa gundebia~.

SekiTxva – magram manamade xom iyo laparaki, rom ah-hi am manvantaraSi ar iqcnen adamianebad. pasuxi – ah-hi, romlebic formas ar iZenen, adamianebad ar iqcevian, magram ah-hi, romlebmac transformacia ganicades, adamianebi xdebian. erTmaneTSi ar unda avurioT sxvadasxva manvantara. manvantaris cikli, romelic TxuTmetniSniani ricxviT izomeba, mzis sistemas exeba. magram aris manvantara, romelic exeba mTel obieqtur samyaros, ded-mamas, da aris mravali wvrili manvantara. rogorc wesi, SerCeul iqna Slokebi, romlebic pirvels exeba, da maTgan mxolod ori Tu sami ukanasknelT exeba. amrigad, mravali Sloka gamotovebul iqna imis gamo, rom, maTi gageba Znelia. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom gamoRviZebis dros erTi manvantaris adamianebma is stadia unda gaiaron, romelic ah-his stadias Seesabameba wina manvantaraSi? pasuxi – zogierT manvantaraSi gveli Tavis kuds kbens. dafiqrdiT am simboloze. SekiTxva – adamians SeuZlia ifiqros imaze, razedac mas surs. SeiZleba Tu ara igives Tqma ah-hize? pasuxi – ara, imitom rom adamians Tavisufali neba aqvs, ah-his ki ara aqvT. isini valdebulni arian imoqmedon rogorc ki maTi mmarTveli kanonidan impulss miiReben. Tavisufali neba gaaCnia mxolod adamians, romelsac gonierebac aqvs da cnobierebac; maTi gamoyenebis wyalobiT mas SeuZlia movlenebi aRiqvas rogorc Tavis TavSi, aseve Tavis gareTac. ah-hi Zalebia, da ara adamianuri arsebebi. SekiTxva – gana isini Segnebul Suamavlebs ar warmoadgenen SromaSi? pasuxi – Segnebulebi im zomiT, romelSic isini samyaroebrivi cnobierebis zRvrebSi moqmedeben. magram cnobiereba manasa-putras mesame planze sruliad sxvagvaria. mxolod aq xdebian isini moazrovneni. amasTan, Tanamedrove mecnierebisgan gansxvavebiT, okultizmi amtkicebs, rom, rogorc ki diferenciacia xdeba, materiis yoveli atomi cnobierebis sakuTar tips iZens. adamianis (iseve rogorc yovelgvari cxovelis) sxeulSi yovel ujreds

garCevis, instiqtisa da SedarebiTi gonierebis Tavisi sakuTari gansakuTrebuli unari gaaCnia. SekiTxva – SeiZleba imis Tqma, rom ah-hi netarebaSi imyofebian? pasuxi – gana maT SeuZliaT netarebis an ubedurebis mdgomareobaSi yofna? netareba mxolod imas SeuZlia Seicnos da Seafasos, vinc icis, Tu ra aris tanjva. SekiTxva – magram netarebasa da bednierebas Soris aris gansxvaveba. pasuxi – davuSvaT, rom es asea. miuxedavad amisa, ar aris arc bedniereba, arc netareba tanjvisa da tkivilis kontrastuli gamocdilebis gareSe. SekiTxva – magram Cven gvesmis, rom netarebis mdgomareobis gagebaSi absolutis mdgomareoba igulisxmeba. pasuxi – amaSi ufro cota logikaa. gana SeiZleba iTqvas, rom absoluti grZnobs? absoluti arafriT aris ganpirobebuli da ar aris gansazRvruli. mxolod imas, rac sasrulsa da diferencirebuls warmoadgens, SeuZlia raime grZnoba ganicados da amasTan dakavSirebiT raime damokidebuleba hqondes nebismier ramesTan. SekiTxva – e.i. ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom ah-hi Segnebuli gonieri arsebia, Tuki goniereba aseTi rTuli gagebaa? pasuxi – SesaZloa, TviT termini `goniereba~ arasworad gadmoscems azrs, magram evropul enaTa siRaribis gamo sxva varianti, rogorc Cans, ar aris. SekiTxva – SeiZleba jobda gageba `goniereba~ fraziT gamogvexata? rogorc Cans, termini `goniereba~ gamoxatavs erTiani Zalis ideas, da ara kompleqsuri moqmedebisa da ramdenime Zalis reaqciis ideas. fenomenaluri Zalis noumenalurma aspeqtma, SesaZloa, ukeTesad gamoxatos es idea.

pasuxi – anda SeiZleba warmovidginoT cecxlis alis, anu sxvadasxva sxivTa erTianobis idea; amaTgan yoveli sxivi Taviseburad moiqceva. SekiTxva – magram erTianoba Semadgenel nawilebad mxolod maSin iSleba, rodesac dabal formebSi maTTvis saTavso gamoinaxeba. pasuxi – swored asea. da mainc ah-hi alia, sxivebs rom gamoscems, romlebic materiaSi CaSvebisas sul ufro metad da metad diferencirdeba, sanam, bolos da bolos, ar moaRwevs Cvens samyaros, misi mravalmilioniani mcxovreblebiTa da grZnobadi arsebebiT. mxolod aq xdeba isini pirvelsawyisi erTianobis namdvili Semadgeneli nawilebi. SekiTxva – e.i. es niSnavs, rom ah-hi, Tu maT pirvelsawyis arsSi ganvixilavT, erTianobas warmoadgenen? SeiZleba Tu ara maT movepyraT rogorc erTianobas? pasuxi – SeiZleba. magram, zustad rom vTqvaT, isini mxolod gamodian erTianobidan da misi Svidi sxividan pirvelebs warmoadgenen. SekiTxva – am SemTxvevaSi, SeiZleba maT erTianobis asaxva davarqvaT? pasuxi – magram gana prizmuli sxivebi Tavis safuZvelSi erT TeTr sxivs ar warmoadgens? erTidan isini sami xdeba, samidan Svidi da am pirveladi Svididan usasrulo simravled ifanteba. davubrundeT e.w. ah-his cnobierebas. am cnobierebis Sefaseba adamianis aRqmis kriteriumebiT SeuZlebelia. igi sul sxva plans ganekuTvneba. SekiTxva - `Rrma Zilis dros azrovneba fizikur planze wydeba~. niSnavs Tu ara es, rom am dros azrovneba sxva planze aqtiurdeba? SeiZleba ganisazRvros gansakuTrebulobani, romlebic ganasxvaveben azrovnebas sifxizlis mdgomareobaSi im azrovnebisgan, rodesac sxeuls sZinavs? pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, SeiZleba. vfiqrob, am sakiTxis ganxilva axla uadgilo da aramizanSewonilia. sakmarisia iTqvas, rom umaRlesi gonierebis unars msjelobis mimarT SeiZleba eZinos,

instiqturi goneba ki SeiZleba sruliad gamoRviZebuli iyos. es aris fiziologiuri gansxvavebis sakiTxi Tavis tvinsa da naTxems Soris. im dros, rodesac pirvels sZinavs, ukanaskneli fxizel mdgomareobaSia. SekiTxva – ra igulisxmeba sityvebSi `instiqturi goneba~? pasuxi – instiqturi goneba Tavis tvinis saSualebiT vlindeba, rac cxovelTa mimarTebaSic sworia. rodesac adamiani iZinebs, Tavis tvinis funqciebi Cerdeba, naTxems ki igi astralur planze gadahyavs, kidev ufro ararealur mdgomareobaSi, vidre sifxizlis iluzoruli mdgomareobaa (Cven swored ase ganvsazRvravT sifxizlis mdgomareobas, romelsac umravlesoba TqvenTaganisa realurad Tvlis). astraluri plani ki ufro metad macdunebelia, imitom rom igi Zalian qaosuria da gaurCevlad asaxavs kargsac da cudsac. SekiTxva – azrovnebis fuZemdeblur pirobebs sifxizlis mdgomareobaSi dro da sivrce warmoadgens. arsebobs Tu ara isini gonebisTvis (manasisTvis) fizikuri sxeulis Zilis dros? pasuxi – im saxiT, romelSiac Cven viciT, ara. ufro metic, pasuxi damokidebulia imaze, Tu romeli manasi gaqvT mxedvelobaSi – umaRlesi Tu udablesi. mxolod ukanasknelia SemTvisebeli halucinaciebis mimarT droisa da sivrcis Sesaxeb. magaliTad, adamianma sizmarSi ramdenime wamis ganmavlobaSi SeiZleba mTeli Tavisi cxovrebis movlenebi ganicados. umaRlesi egos aRqmisa da warmodgenisTvis ar arsebobs arc dro, arc sivrce. SekiTxva – iTvleba, rom manasi gamtaria budhisTvis, magram samyaroebriv gonierebaze laparaki iyo rogorc maha-budhize. maS ra gansxvavebaa sityvebs Soris manasi da budhi, romlebic umetesad saerTo mniSvnelobiT ixmareba, da manassa da budhis Soris, romlebic adamianSia gamJRavnebuli? pasuxi – budhis kosmosuri principi, anu umaRlessulieri sulis, alaias, emanacia, mxolod maSin warmoadgens mahatis gamtars, rodesac budhis es principi prakritis Seesabameba. am SemTxvevaSi mas maha-budhi hqvia. budhis es principi Svidi planis gavliT diferencirdeba, xolo adamianis budhi atmanis gamtars warmoadgens, Tavisi arsiT ki akaSas umaRles plans ganekuTvneba da, maSasadame, ar diferencirdeba. gansxvaveba

adamianis manassa da budhis Soris iseTivea, rogorc manasa-putrasa da ah-his Soris kosmosSi. SekiTxva – manasi gonebaa, xolo, rogorc ukve iTqva, ah-his ar SeuZliaT hqondeT budhize – individualur gonebaze Cveni gagebiT – meti. SeuZlia cnobierebas gonebis gareSe iyos? pasuxi – Cvens materialur planze ar SeuZlia. magram ratom ar SeiZleba es iyos sxva, ufro maRal, planze? raki samyaroebrivi gonierebis arseboba Teoriulad davasabuTeT, maSin, unda vifiqroT, rom rogorc tvini, gonebis gamtari, aseve cnobiereba, misi unari, umaRles planze sruliad unda gansxvavdebodes imisgan, rasac isini aq warmoadgenen. isini ufro axlos arian absolutur yvelaferTan da, maSasadame, warmodgenili unda iyvnen mniSvnelovnad ufro erTsaxovnad, vidre sui generis1, rac Cvens inteleqtualur aRqmas sruliad ar emorCileba. davarqvaT am substancias pirveladi diferenciaciis sawyisi da Seucnobadi mdgomareoba (an ase warmovidginoT). rogorc me mgonia, am umaRles planze mahati, gonierebis diadi manvantaruli principi, moqmedebs rogorc tvini, romlis saSualebiTac samyaroebrivi da maradiuli goniereba asxivebs ah-his, romlebic warmoadgenen amis Sedegad warmoSobil cnobierebas, anu ideebis formirebisa da aRqmis unars. imisda mixedviT, Tu am pirveladi samkuTxedis Crdili sul ufro dabla rogor eSveba da qvemomdebare planebs gadis, es unari yoveli etapis dros sul ufro materialuri xdeba. SekiTxva – es unari plani xdeba, romelzedac cnobiereba obieqtur gamJRavnebebs aRiqvams. asea? pasuxi – diax, magram Cven aq cnobierebis udides problemas vawydebiT, da materializmTan gvixdeba brZola. magram, ra aris cnobiereba? rogorc Tanamedrove mecniereba amtkicebs, es, iseve, rogorc neba, gonebis unaria. Cvenc ase vTvliT, magram davamatebT, rom im dros, rodesac cnobierebis Sesaxeb ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom es aris raRac per se (TavisTavadi), goneba garkveulad, yovel SemTxvevaSi Tavis manvantarul funqciebSi, erTianobas warmoadgens. am azrs iziarebs aRmosavleTis yvela idealisti.

1 Taviseburad (laT.)

SekiTxva – magram amJamad modaSia abuCad agdeba ideisa, rom goneba erTianobas warmoadgens. pasuxi – miuxedavad amisa, sityva `goneba~ sruliad sinonimuria `sulisa~. vinc am ukanasknels uaryofs, is, ra Tqma unda, daJinebiT daiwyebs mtkicebas, rom tvinis gareSe cnobiereba ar arsebobs da sikvdilTan erTad igi qreba. okultistebi ki, piriqiT, amtkiceben, rom cnobiereba sikvdilis Semdegac ganagrZobs arsebobas da rom swored maSin xdeba igi WeSmariti, Tavisufldeba. ego xom Tavisuflebas iZens, roca igi miwieri materiiT aRar aris damZimebuli. SekiTxva – SesaZloa, pirvelTa azri sityva `cnobierebis~ mniSvnelobis aRqmis unaris SezRudvasTan dakavSirebiT Camoyalibda? pasuxi – am SemTxvevaSi okultizmi aseTi azris winaaRmdegia.

Sloka (4) ar iyo Svidi gza netarebisken (mokSasken an nirvanisken). Aarc tanjvis (nidanas da maias) diadi mizezebi iyo, radgan aravin iyo maTi warmoSobisTvis da maT mier cdunebisTvis. SekiTxva – ra aris Svidi gza netarebisken? pasuxi – es aris garkveuli unari, romlis Sesaxebac codna imas eZleva, vinc okultizms Rrmad swavlobs. SekiTxva – analogiuria Tu ara hinaianas skolis oTxi WeSmariteba, rac ser edvin arnoldis mieraa naxsenebi `aziis sinaTle~-Si, romelTagan pirvelia glovis biliki, meore – glovis mizezi, mesame – glovis Sewyveta da meoTxe – gza? pasuxi – es yvelaferi Teologiasa da ezoterikas exeba da yvela budistur werilebSi imyofeba. zemoxsenebuli, rogorc Cans, singaluri, anu samxreTis budizmidan, aris aRebuli. Tumca es sagani ufro srulad aria-sangas skolis mier ganixileba. magram iqac ki oTx WeSmaritebas yviTeli mantiiT Semosili Cveulebrivi

mRvdelisTvis erTi mniSvneloba aqvs, da sruliad sxva – namdvili mistikosebisTvis. SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara nidana da maia (tanjvis diadi mizezebi) absolutis aspeqtebs? pasuxi – nidana niSnavs mizezisa da Sedegis urTierTkavSirs. Tormeti nidana mTavari mizezebia, romlebic yvelaze ufro mZime Sedegebs badebs karmis kanonTan dakavSirebiT. marTalia, sityvebs Soris `nidana~ da `maia~ urTierTkavSiri ar aris, vinaidan maia mxolod da mxolod iluzias niSnavs, magram, miuxedavad amisa, samyaros ganvixilavT rogorc maias an iluzias, da aseT SemTxvevaSi, ra Tqma unda, nidanebi, arian ra zneobrivi agentebi samyaroSi, maiaSi Sedian. swored maia, iluzia an umecreba, aRviZebs nidanebs (arsebobis Tormeti mizezi, anu mizezobriobis jaWvi, `mizezisa da Sedegis gadabma arsebobis mTel mwkrivSi 12 rgolis meSveobiT~) da, vinaidan mizezi an mizezebi warmoiSva, isini karmis kanoniT Sedegebs iwvevs. magaliTisTvis, aviRoT Cveni Tavi: sakuTar Tavs rogorc calkeul erTeuls vepyrobiT, Tumca arsebiTad Cven yvela erTi ganuyofeli mTliani varT, wveTebi varT yofierebis okeaneSi, sxva wveTebisgan ganuyofelni. rogorc ki am mizezs warvmovqmniT, igi dauyovnebliv Sedegs iwvevs cxovrebis sruli uTanxmoebis saxiT. sinamdvileSi ki buneba aseTi saxiT cdilobs harmonia aRadginos da wonasworoba daicvas. swored gankerZoebulobis am grZnobaSia mTeli borotebis fesvi. SekiTxva – iqneb ukeTesi yofiliyo am ori terminis erTmaneTisgan gamijvna da miTiTeba, xom ar warmoadgens maia absolutis aspeqts? pasuxi – saeWvoa, rom ase ukeTesi iyos – maia xom mizezi da amave dros diferenciaciis aspeqtia, da kidev mravali ram. ufro metic, absoluti arasodes iqneba diferencirebuli. maia gamJRavnebaa, absolutis gamJRavneba ki SeuZlebelia. igi mxolod areklili SeiZleba iyos, anu hqondes Crdili, romelic periodulad gamosxivdeba misgan, da ara mis mier. SekiTxva – da mainc amboben, rom maia gamJRavnebis an diferenciaciis mizezia.

pasuxi – mere ra? ra Tqma unda, maia rom ar yofiliyo, arc diferenciacia iqneboda, an, ufro sworad, obieqturi samyaros aRqma ar iqneboda. magram es ar aqcevs mas absolutis aspeqtad; igi mxolod gamJRavnebul samyarosTan, anu absoluturi erTsaxovanis nairgvarovan diferenciaciasTan erTad Tanaarsebobs. SekiTxva – maSin, analogiiT, Tu diferenciacia ar aris maiac ar aris? magram axla vlaparakobT maiaze rogorc samyaros mizezze. amitom, rogorc ki diferenciaciis zRvrebidan gamovdivarT, SegviZlia Cvens Tavs kiTxva davusvaT: `sad aris maia~? pasuxi – maia yvelganaa, yovel saganSi, romelsac sawyisi da sasruli aqvs. maSasadame, yoveli sagani imis aspeqts warmoadgens, rac maradiulia, da am gagebiT, ra Tqma unda, TviT maia warmoadgens SAT-is aspeqts, anu imas, rac mudmivad imyofeba samyaroSi, rogorc manvantaris dros, aseve mahapralaias dros. oRond nu gaviwydebaT, rom nirvanas Sesaxebac ki iyo naTqvami, rom igi, absolutTan SedarebiT, mxolod da mxolod maiaa. SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi warmoadgens Tu ara `maia~ yvela gamJRavnebis gamosaxvisTvis krebiT termins? pasuxi – vfiqrob, es ar aris swori. maia yoveli egos aRqmis unaria, es ego ki Tavs gankerZoebulad da damoukideblad Tvlis erTiani usazRvro da maradiuli SAT-isgan, anu `yofierebiTobidan~. ezoterikul filosofiaSi da puranebSi maia aixsneba rogorc personificirebuli aqtiuri neba RmerT-Semoqmedisa, romelic TviTon warmoadgens personificirebul maias, adamianis grZnobaTa warmaval motyuebas; igi adamians aniWebs (masSi fiqris unaris gaCenasTan erTad) sufTa abstraqciebs adamianuri TvisebebiT. orTodoqsaluri indusis warmodgeniT maia sruliad gansxvavebulia vedantist-idealistis an okultistis maiasagan. vedanta amtkicebs, rom maia, anu uwyveti iluziis momatyuebeli gavlena, warmoadgens materiis an raime diferencirebulis realuri arsebobis rwmenis safuZvels. bhagavata purana maias prakritisTan (gamJRavnebul bunebasa da materiasTan) aigivebs. zogierTi win wasuli evropeli metafizikosi, iseTi, rogoricaa kanti,

Sopenhaueri da sxvebi, xom amasve amtkicebs. ra Tqma unda, es ideebi maT aRmosavleTidan gadmoiRes, gansakuTrebiT budizmidan. miuxedavad amisa, moZRvreba Cveni samyaros ararealobis Sesaxeb Cveni filosofosebis mier Zalian sworadaa damuSavebuli, yovel SemTxvevaSi, ZiriTad mimarTulebebSi. amJamad, Tumc aravis SeuZlia sagnebi sruliad erTnairad dainaxos, da TiToeuli Cvengani Taviseburad xedavs maT, magram mainc yvela vardeba iluziaSi da, umTavresad, ZiriTad iluziaSi (maiaSi), rom isini, rogorc pirovnebebi, yvelasgan gankerZoebulebi arian da rom maTi `me~ an `ego~ maradisobaSi inaxeba (an yovel SemTxvevaSi usasrulod didxans) iseTad, rogoric igi aris, maSin roca ara mxolod Cven TviTon, aramed mTeli xiluli da uxilavi samyaro mxolod da mxolod droebiTi mdgenelia usawyiso da usasrulo mTlianisa, anu imisi, rac mudam iyo, aris da iqneba. SekiTxva – rogorc Cans, es termini diferenciaciis erTobliv wertilTa mimarTebaSi gamoiyeneba: diferenciacias ganicdis erTeuli, maias ki – erTeulTa erToblioba. magram axla SeiZleba gverdiTi SekiTxva davsvaT ganxilvis wina nawilis mimarTebaSi, sadac Tavis tvini da naTxemi iyo naxsenebi. ukanaskneli daxasiaTebuli iyo rogorc organo, romelic instiqtzea pasuxismgebeli. iTvleba, rom cxovels instiqturi goneba aqvs, magram amboben, rom naTxemi warmoadgens mxolod vegetatiuri sicocxlis organos, romelic mxolod sxeulis funqciebs akontrolebs, maSin, roca grZnobebs grZnobadi goneba exmaureba, fiqri ki, anu aRqmisa da ideebis Seqmnis unari, agreTve yvelaferi is, rac inteleqtTan da instiqtTanaa dakavSirebuli, SeiZleba Seefardos mxolod tvinis im nawils, romelic am funqciebzea pasuxismgebeli, kerZod ki Tavis tvins. pasuxi – miuxedavad amisa, naTxemi organoa, romelic cxovelis instiqtur qcevas marTavs; es qceva aisaxeba sizmrebSi an warmoSobs maT. es sizmrebi umeteswilad qaosuri da wyvetilia. damamaxsovrebeli sizmrebi ki Tanamimdevruli movlenebis Sesaxeb umaRlesi egos xedvas warmoadgens. SekiTxva – naTxemi imas xom ar warmoadgens, Cvevis organos rom vuwodebT?

pasuxi – vfiqrob, rom raki igi instiqtTanaa dakavSirebuli, asec SeiZleba vuwodoT. SekiTxva – Cveva imas xom ar Seefardeba, arsebobis axlandel stadias rom vuwodebT, instiqti ki – warsuls? pasuxi – dasaxelebis miuxedavad, mxolod naTxemi, da ara Tavis tvini, funqcionirebs Zilis dros. sizmrebi, anu emanaciebi, anu instiqturi grZnobebi, romlebsac gaRviZebisas ganvicdiT, am moRvaweobis Sedegs warmoadgens. SekiTxva – Tanmimdevroba mxolod da mxolod koordinaciis unaris Sedegs warmoadgens. magram yovelgvari eWvis gareSe, Tavis tvinic funqcionirebs, ris mtkicebasac is faqti warmoadgens, rom rac ufro axlos varT gamoRviZebasTan, Cveni sizmrebi miT ufro naTeli xdeba. pasuxi – diax, swored gamoRviZebis win, da ara manamade! naTxemis es mdgomareoba SeiZleba SevadaroT metalis filas an raime amdagvars, romelic dRis ganmavlobaSi GgaTba, RamiT ki siTbos gamoscems. aseTive saxiT tvinis energiac Seugneblad gamosxivdeba RamiT. SekiTxva – da mainc ar SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom tvins ar SeuZlia STabeWdilebebis registrireba Zilis dros. mZinare adamiani SeiZleba xmaurma gamoaRviZos, da xSirad Tavis sizmarSi is STabeWdileba aRmoaCinos, romelic am xmaurma gamoiwvia. es faqti, mgonia, damajereblad amtkicebs tvinis aqtiurobas Zilis dros. pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, meqanikur aqtiurobas. Tu am SemTxvevaSi sul mcire aRqma an sizmris mdgomareobis wuTieri STabeWdileba mainc arsebobs, mexsiereba irTveba, da sizmari SeiZleba aRdgenil iqnas. diskusiebSi sizmrebis Sesaxeb Zilis mdgomareobidan sifxizlis mdgomareobaSi gadasvla Seadares qrobadi koconis bJutvas. SeiZleba ufro Sors wavideT da mexsierebis TamaSi SevadaroT haeris nakads, romelic naxevrad Camqral nakverCxlebs kvlav aanTebs. es niSnavs, rom gamoRviZebis dros cnobiereba naTxemis moRvaweobas ixsenebs, romelic (moRvaweoba) neldeboda da cnobierebis zRvars qvemoT iwevda.

SekiTxva – wydeba Tu ara odesme naTxemis moRvaweoba? pasuxi – ara, magram igi Tavis tvinis moRvaweobaSi ikargeba. SekiTxva – es niSnavs, rom stimulebi, romlebic sifxizlis dros naTxemidan gamodis, fxizeli cnobierebis zRurblze ufro dabla Camodis, im sferoze dabla, romelic Tavis tvinis mflobelobaSi imyofeba. da es manamade grZeldeba, sanam sifxizlis mdgomareobas Zili ar Secvlis, rodesac cnobierebis sfero naTxemis stimulebiT iwyebs formirebas. amgvarad, SeiZleba iTqvas, rom Tavis tvini cnobierebis erTaderTi adgilsamyofelia? pasuxi – savsebiT sworia. Tavis tvinis funqciebia azrebis gamaxva, srulyofa da koordinireba, naTxemis funqcia ki gacnobierebuli survilebisa da a.S. warmoSobaa. SekiTxva – rogorc Cans, Cven unda cnobierebis gageba gavafarTovoT. magaliTad, ar arsebobs mizezi, romlis gamoc SeiZleboda imis mtkiceba, rom mcenareebs cnobiereba ar gaaCniaT. diu prels Tavis `mistikis filosofiaSi~ zogierTi saintereso eqsperimenti mohyavs magaliTad, romelic mcenareebSi Taviseburi lokaluri cnobierebis arsebobas amtkicebs. es cnobiereba, SesaZloa, raRaca refleqsur kavSirs warmoadgens. igi ufro Sors midis da, eyrdnoba ra mravalricxovan kargad damowmebul SemTxvevebs, winaswarmWvretebis mowveviT, romlebsac SeuZliaT gulis kovzTan arsebuli fosoTi igrZnon, demonstrirebs, rom cnobierebis zRurbli SeiZleba Zalian gafarTovdes, ufro metad, vidre Cveulebrivad warmogvidgenia, - rogorc zeviT, aseve qveviT. pasuxi – SegviZlia Cvens Tavs mivulocoT, rom diu prelis eqsperimentebi Taviseburi SxamsawinaaRmdego saSualebaa profesor haqslis Teoriebis sawinaRmdegod, romlebic okultizmis swavlebasTan absoluturad SeuTavsebelia.

sxdoma 3

(stansa 1 Sl. 5-8)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 24 ianvars b-n t.b. harbotlis TavmjdomareobiT

stansa 1 (gagrZeleba) Sloka (5) erTiani wyvdiadi avsebda usazRvro yvelafers, vinaidan mama, deda da Ze kidev erTxel iyvnen erTiani. da Zem jer ar gamoiRviZa axali borblisTvis da masze mogzaurobisTvis.

SekiTxva – igulisxmeba Tu ara `wyvdiadSi~ igive, rac `maradiswina deda-mSobelSi~ (1)?

pasuxi – sruliadac ara. aq `deda-mSobels~ Seesabameba `usazRvro yvelaferi~, xolo kosmosuri sivrce aris is raRaca, rasac ukve atributebi aqvs miniWebuli, yovel SemTxvevaSi potenciurad. meore mxriv, `wyvdiadi~ am SemTxvevaSi aris is, rac araviTari atributebiT ar SeiZleba iyos ganpirobebuli, es aris Seucnobeli principi, romelic kosmosur sivrces avsebs.

SekiTxva – xom ar gamoiyeneba am SemTxvevaSi sityva wyvdiadi sinaTlis polaruli dapirispirebulobis aRsaniSnavad?

pasuxi – diax, gaumJRavneblisa da Seucnobelis aRsaniSnavad rogorc polaruli dapirispirebisa gamJRavnebulsa da imas, rac gaazrebas eqvemdebareba.

SekiTxva – e.i. wyvdiadi diferenciaciasaa dapirispirebuli, da ara sinaTles? da nuTu mas ar SeuZlia negatiurobis simbolo iyos? pasuxi – aq xsenebuli `wyvdiadi~ ar SeiZleba dapirispirebuli iyos arc sinaTles, arc diferenciacias, radgan es orive evoluciis manvantaruli stadiis – aqtiurobis ciklis – kanonzomier Sedegs warmoadgens. yofierebis wignSi es aris `wyvdiadi ufskrulze~. ufskruls am SemTxvevaSi `bneli mamis (sivrcis) naTeli Ze~ Seesabameba. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom sinaTle ar aris, anu ubralod ar aris araferi, rasac ki gamJRavneba SeeZleboda, da aravin, visac ki amis aRqma SeeZleboda?

pasuxi – erTsac da meoresac. Tu obieqturi viqnebiT, sinaTlec da wyvdiadic iluziaa, maiaa. mocemul SemTxvevaSi wyvdiadSi sinaTlis aryofna ki ar igulisxmeba, aramed erTi Cauwvdeneli sawyisi principi, romelsac, aris ra TviT absolutoba, Cveni inteleqtualuri aRqmisTvis arc forma gaaCnia, arc sinaTle, arc nivTiereba, araferi, risi gamoxatvac ki sityvebiT iqneboda SesaZlebeli.

SekiTxva – rodis gamodis sinaTle wyvdiadidan?

pasuxi – maSin, rodesac pirveli gamJRavnebis Jami dadgeba.

SekiTxva – e.i. sinaTle pirveli gamJRavnebaa?

pasuxi – diax, diferenciaciis dawyebis Semdeg. da evoluciis mxolod mesame etapze. nu gaviwydebaT, rom filosofiaSi sityva `sinaTles~ ori mniSvneloba aqvs: erTi maradiuli, absoluturi sinaTlis in potential aRsaniSnavad, romelic mudam Seucnobeli wyvdiadis wiaRSi imyofeba da masTan maradisobaSi Tanamyofelia, anu, sxva sityvebiT, am wyvdiadTan identuria, da meore, wyvdiadTan kontrastuli gamJRavnebuli nairgvarovnebis aRsaniSnavad. magaliTisTvis, Tu `viSnu puranas~ gagebiT wavikiTxavT, kargad davinaxavT or gagebas OSoris gansxvavebas viSnus saxeSi, romelic, aris ra brahmasTan erTiani, mainc misgan gansxvavebulia. viSnu aq aris maradiuli X da amave dros gantolebis yoveli wevri. arsebiTad viSnu materiacaa, da brahmas (upirovnos) umaRlesi sulic. materia da umaRlesi suli brahmas pirvelad aspeqtebs warmoadgenen, amasTan umaRlesi sulia swored abstraqtuli sinaTle1. `vedebSi~ viSnu didi pativiscemiT ar 1 `viSnu puranas~ meore TavSi (uilsonis TargmanSi) vkiTxulobT: `parasaram Tqva: dideba ucvlels, wmindans, maradiul RmerT viSnus, erTians samyaroSi, romlis Zlierebasacaa yvelaferi daqvemdebarebuli; mas, vinc aris hiraia-garbha, hari da Sankara, samyaros Semqmneli, damcveli da gamanadgurebeli; vasudevas, mlocvelTa mxsnels; imas, vinc erTianicaa da mravalgvaric, vinc sxeulebrivicaa da usxeuloc, erTgvarovanicaa da mravagvarovanic; viSnus, saboloo ganTavisuflebis mizezs. dideba RmerT viSnus, samyaros Seqmnis, arsebobisa da dasasrulis mizezs, imas, vinc am samyaros fesvia da vinc am samyarosgan Sedgeba~. Semdeg: `vis SeuZlia aRweros igi, is, vinc grZnobebiT miuwvdomelia, vinc yovelive arsebulze ukeTesia, umaRlesi sulia, TviTarsebuli, visac gvaris, saxis da a.S. araviTari ganmasxvavebeli Tavisebureba ar gaaCnia, vinc msjelobebis, cvlilebebis, sikvdilisa da xrwnisagan Tavisufalia, vinc aris mudam erTi, vinc yvelgan arsebobs, da visSic yvelaferi arsebobs, da visac amitom vasudevas uwodeben? igi brahmaa (upirovno), umaRlesi ufali,

sargeblobs, brahma ki (mamrobiTi sqesis) saerTod ar aris naxsenebi.

SekiTxva – ra mniSvneloba aqvs frazas `mama, deda da Ze kidev erTxel iyvnen erTiani~?

pasuxi – es niSnavs, rom sami logosi – gaumJRavnebeli `mama~, naxevrad gamJRavnebuli `deda~ da samyaro, romelic Cvens filosofiaSi mesame logoss, anu brahmas, warmoadgens, - morigi pralaias dros erTi iyvnen kidev erTxel; diferencirebuli arsi aradiferencirebuli gaxda. sityvebi `mama, deda da Ze~ bolomde ar eTanxmeba qristianul `mamas, Zes da suli wmidas~. Tumca adreul qristianobasa da gnosticizmSi suli wmida qaluri sawyisi iyo - `sofia~ (berZ. sibrZne. gnostikebis qaluri logosi; samyaroebrivi goniereba; sxvagan - qaluri suli wmida). mahapralaias dros yvela SemoqmedebiTi da sensitiuri (mgrZnobiare) Zalebi da am Zalebis zemoqmedebis Sedegebi, romlebic samyaros Seadgendnen, Tavis sawyis mdgomareobas ubrundebian: yvelaferi erTSi ikribeba. da araferi ar aris, garda absolutisa.

SekiTxva – rogoria mamis, dedisa da Zis gansxvavebuli mniSvnelobebi? komentarebSi isini axsnilia rogorc (a) umaRlesi suli, substancia da samyaro; (b) umaRlesi suli, suli da sxeuli; (g) samyaro, planetaruli mwkrivi da adamiani.

pasuxi – es-es aris, kidev erTi damateba Semovitane, da, vfiqrob, igi gasagebia. am axsnebs veRarafers davumatebT, Tuki abstraqtul gagebebs adamianur Tvisebebs ar mivaniWebT.

SekiTxva – Tu zemoT moyvanili rigidan mxolod bolo sityvebs aviRebT, anu Zes, samyaros, adamians, sxeuls, SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom isini erTmaneTs eTanafardeba?

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda.

maradiuli, daubadebeli, dauWknobeli, uxrwneli, Tavis arsSi erTiani, mudam wminda, radgan igi mankierebisgan Tavisufalia. igi, es brahma, yvelaferia, radgan Tavis TavSi aerTianebs erTgvarovansac da mravalgvarovansac~.

SekiTxva – warmoadgenen Tu ara isini samebis darCenili wyvilis warmoebulebs, magaliTad, Ze mamis da dedis, adamiani mwkrivis da samyaros da a. S.? da, bolos, SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom pralaias dros Ze kvlav erwymis Tavis mSoblebs?

pasuxi – sanam am kiTxvas vupasuxebde, minda SegaxsenoT, rom Cven vlaparakobT ara im periodze, romelic e.w. qmnilebas uZRoda win, aramed mxolod im droze, roca materiam diferencireba daiwyo, magram forma jer kidev ar miiRo. ded-mama Sedgenili gagebaa, romelic pirvelad substancias an sulimaterias niSnavs. rodesac sulimateria diferencirdeba da erTsaxovanidan sxvadasxva saxis mdgomareobaSi gadadis, igi dadebiTi da uaryofiTi xdeba. amgvarad `nulovani mdgomareobidan~ (anu laiam-is wertilidan) sulimateria aqtiurobisa da pasiurobis mdgomareobaSi gadadis (da ara mxolod pasiurobis!), da am diferenciaciis Sedegad (romelsac evolucia da samyaros Semdgomi warmoSoba mosdevs) `Ze~ ibadeba. swored igia is samyaro, anu gamJRavnebuli kosmosi, romelic momdevno mahapralaiamde iarsebebs.

SekiTxva – anu saboloo mdgomareobamde laiam-is wertilSi an nulovan wertilSi, rogorc dasawyisSi – mamis, dedisa da Zis stadiamde?

pasuxi – imis Sesaxeb, rac ded-mamis stadiamde iyo, `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ cota ram aris naTqvami. rogorc ki ded-mama gamoCndeba, laias mdgomareobis arseboba SeuZlebelia.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom ded-mama laias mdgomareobaze ufro gvian Cndeba?

pasuxi – swored asea. calkeul obieqtebs SeuZlia laiaSi iyos, magram ded-mamis gamoCenisas samyaros laiaSi yofna ar SeuZlia.

SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara fohati triadidan – mama, deda da Ze – erT-erTs?

pasuxi – fohati saerTo terminia, da misi xmareba mravali mniSvnelobiT SeiZleba. igi sinaTlea (daivi-prakriti) yvela sami logosisa rogorc evoluciis sami sulieri stadiis personificirebuli simboloebisa. fohati aris yvela sulieri SemoqmedebiTi unaris erToblioba ideebis warmoSobis mimarT maRla, da yvela eleqtrodinamiuri da SemoqmedebiTi Zalebis warmoSobis mimarT dabla. zecaSi da dedamiwaze. rogorc etyoba, pirveli da meore logosis mimarT bevri gaugebroba da dabnevaa. pirveli ukve Tandaswrebuli, Tumca jer kidev gaumJRavnebeli, potencialobaa ded-mamis wiaRSi; meore aris SemoqmedebiTi Zalebis abstraqtuli erToblioba, rasac berZnebi `demiurgebs~ an samyaros mSeneblebs uwodebdnen. mesame logosi aris meoris saboloo diferenciacia da kosmosur ZalTa individualizacia, romelTa Sorisac mTavars fohati warmoadgens, radgan fohati aris Svidi SemoqmedebiTi sxivis, anu dhian koganebis sinTezi; dhian koganebi mesame logosidan gamodian.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom manvantaris dros, rodesac Ze ukve gamoCnda an gamoRviZebulia, ded-mama mis damoukideblad arsebobs, Tu isini ZeSi arian gamJRavnebuli?

pasuxi – sityvebi `mama~, `deda~ da `Ze~ frTxilad unda vixmaroT, raTa am gagebebs adamianuri Tvisebebi ar mivaniWoT. pirveli ori sityva niSnavs mxolod centridanul da centriskenul Zalebs, romlebic `Zes~ Soben. ufro metic, ezoterikul filosofiaSi SeuZlebelia am gagebaTa erTian saerTo gagebebidan gamoricxva.

SekiTxva – Tu es asea, albaT unda vaRiaroT, rom centriskenuli da centridanuli Zalebi maT mier warmoSobili Sedegebis miuxedavad arseboben. Sedegebi mizezis an mizezTa mimarTebiT yovelTvis meoradad iTvleba.

pasuxi – Zlier meeWveba, rom amgvarma koncefciam Cveni mxridan mxardaWera da gamoyeneba miiRos. Tuki es Zalebi arseboben, maT unda Sedegebi warmoSvan, xolo Tu Sedegebi aRar warmoiSveba, Zalebic wyveten arsebobas. sxvanairad rogor unda vicodeT, rom isini arseboben?

SekiTxva – magram isini xom arseboben rogorc calkeuli erTeulebi maTematikuri miznebisTvis?

pasuxi – es sul sxva saqmea. bunebasa da mecnierebas Soris, sinamdvilesa da filosofiur simbolizms Soris didi gansxvaveba arsebobs. magaliTad, adamianSi Svid princips gamovyofT, magram es imas ar niSnavs, rom mas Svidi garsi, an arsi, an suli aqvs. yvela es principi erTi principis aspeqtebia, da es principic ki mxolod da mxolod droebiTi, anu periodulia, erTi maradiuli da usasrulo alis, anu cecxlis sxivia.

Sloka (6)

Svidma umaRlesma meufem da Svidma WeSmaritebam Sewyvita arseboba, da samyaro – aucileblobis Ze – paraniSpanaSi (absolutur srulyofilebaSi, paranirvanaSi anu iongdupSi) iyo CaZiruli, raTa amosunTquli yofiliyo imis mier, vinc aris da amave dros vinc ar aris. ar iyo araferi.

Sloka (7)

arsebobis mizezebi gaqra; yofili xiluli da arsebuli uxilavi arayofierebis maradisobaSi – erTian yofierebaSi – isvenebdnen.

SekiTxva – Tuki `arsebobis mizezebi gaqra~, kvlav rogor gaCnda isini? komentarebSi mtkicdeba, rom arsebobis mTavar mizezs `arsebobis survili~ warmoadgens, magram SlokaSi samyaros `aucileblobis Ze~ hqvia. pasuxi – sityvebi `arsebobis mizezebi gaqra~ ukanasknel manvantaras, anu brahmanis saukunes, exeba, magram mizezs, romelic droisa da sivrcis borbals aiZulebs ibrunos da iqrolos maradisobaSi, romelic droisa da sivrcis gareTaa, saerTo araferi aqvs sasrul principebTan anu imaTTan, romlebsac Cven nidanebs vuwodebT. me ver vxedav am mtkicebebs Soris winaaRmdegobebs. SekiTxva – da mainc winaaRmdegoba aSkaraa. Tu arsebobis mizezebi gaqra, rogor gaCnda isini kvlav? magram, Tu iTqva, rom erTi manvantara pralaiaSi gaqra, da am manvantaris mizezi axla

droisa da sivrcis gareTaa, maSin, Sesabamisad, es mizezi sxva manvantaras iwvevs saarsebod. pasuxi – savsebiT sworia. es erTiani da, Sesabamisad, `umizezo mizezi~ ucvlelia da saerTo araferi aqvs nebismieri planis mizezebTan, romelic (plani) sasrul da ganpirobebul yofierebasTanaa dakavSirebuli. amrigad, es mizezi ar SeiZleba iyos saboloo cnobiereba an survili. absurdulia imis mtkiceba, rom absoluts SeuZlia survili an aucilebloba ganicados. saaTis rekva ar niSnavs, rom saaTs rekvis survili aqvs. SekiTxva – magram saaTi xom momarTulia, amisTvis ki saWiroa is, vinc mas momarTavs. pasuxi – igive SeiZleba iTqvas samyarosa da misi mizezis Sesaxeb. absoluti Tavis TavSi Seicavs saaTsac da imasac, vinc mas momarTavs, rakiRa igi absolutia. erTaderTi gansxvaveba imaSia, rom pirveli imarTeba drosa da sivrceSi, meore ki, mommarTveli, droisa da sivrcis gareT, anu maradisobaSi imyofeba. SekiTxva – sinamdvileSi kiTxva dasmuli iyo absolutSi diferenciaciis mizezebis ganmartebisTvis. pasuxi – Cveni gagebisTvis es miuwvdomelia. para-brahmani ar aris mizezi, da ar arsebobs mizezi, romelic mas gamosxivebas an Seqmnas aiZulebda. zustad rom vTqvaT, para-brahmani absolutic ki ar aris; igi absoluturobaa. para-brahmani mizezi ki ar aris, aramed mizezobrioba an moZravi (da ara nebisyofis) Zalaa yovel gamamJRavnebel mizezSi. SeiZleba mxolod bundovani warmodgena gvqondes am maradiuli umizezo mizezis, anu mizezobriobis arsebobaze. magram misi gansazRvra CvenTvis SeuZlebelia. Tavis `leqciebSi bhagavad gitaze~ batoni suba rou amtkicebs, rom pirvel logossac ki ar SeuZlia para-brahmans logikurad Caswvdes. mas SeuZlia mxolod mulaprakritis, anu para-brahmanis safarvels, Caswvdes. da, maSasadame, Tu mulaprakritis, para-brahmanis pirveli ZiriTadi aspeqtis, Sesaxeb naTeli warmodgena ara gvaqvs, maS ra SegviZlia im umaRles erTianze vicodeT, romelic logosisTvisac ki gabundovnebulia mulaprakritis (bunebis fesvis, anu prakritis) mier?

SekiTxva – ra mniSvneloba aqvs gamoxatvas `yofili xiluli da arsebuli uxilavi~ SlokaSi (7)? pasuxi - `yofili xiluli~ niSnavs samyaros gasul manvantaraSi, romelic maradisobaSi gadavida da romelic aRar aris. `arsebuli uxilavi~ niSnavs maradiul, mudam arsebul da mudam uxilav RvTaebas, romelsac Cven mraval saxels vuwodebT, iseTebs, rogoricaa abstraqtuli sivrce, absoluturi SAT da a.S., da romlis Sesaxebac sinamdvileSi araferi viciT.

Sloka (8) mxolod arsebobis erTiani forma, usazRvro, usasrulo, umizezo, iyo gavrcelebuli, ZilSi mosvenebuli, sizmrebis gareSe; da aracnobieri sicocxle pulsirebda samyaroebriv sivrceSi im yovladarsebulSi, rac dangmas1 axelili TvaliT SeigrZnoba.

SekiTxva – aqvs Tu ara absoluts es `Tvali~ axelili? sxva sityvebiT, warmoadgens Tu ara `arsebobis erTiani forma~ da `yovladarseboba~ erTi da igive principis sxvadasxva saxels, Tu isini absolutisgan gansxvavdeba?

pasuxi – yvela isini, ra Tqma unda, erTia. es ubralod metaforebia. gTxovT yuradReba miaqcioT imas, rom `Tvalis~ Sesaxeb laparaki ar aris, rom igi `xedavs~, mis mier mxolod `yovladarseboba~ `SeigrZnoba~.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom am `Tvalis~ meSveobiT Cven ganvicdiT, vgrZnobT an vacnobierebT?

pasuxi – diax, swored misi meSveobiT. magram Cven es `Tvali~ manamde unda gvqondes, sanam xedvas SevZlebdeT an dangma, anu mxedveli ar gavxdebiT.

SekiTxva – magram es xom umaRlesi sulieri unaria?

1 dangma (sanskr.) - ganaTebuli suli, winaswarmWvreti da gandobili

pasuxi – kargi, magram sad iyo im stadiaze am unaris mqone? maSin jer kidev ar iyo dangma `yovladarsebobis~ SegrZnebisTvis, imitom rom adamiani jer ar iyo.

SekiTxva – Slokis (6) garCevis dros iTqva, rom sinaTlis mizezs wyvdiadi warmoadgens.

pasuxi – sityva `wyvdiadi~ mocemul SemTxvevaSi kvlav metaforulad ixmareba. Cveni inteleqtisTvis es udavod wyvdiadia, radgan ar SegviZlia mis Sesaxeb raime vicodeT. me ukve giTxariT, rom sityvebi `wyvdiadi~ da `sinaTle~ ar unda ixmarebodes dapirispirebulobaTa aRsaniSnavad, rogorc diferencialur samyaroSi. sityva `wyvdiadis~ xmareba nakleb araswor ganmartebebs iwvevs. magaliTad, sityva `qaosis~ xmarebis SemTxvevaSi, igi arasworad SeiZleboda ganmartebuliyo rogorc `qaosuri materia~.

SekiTxva – eWvgareSea, rom sityva `sinaTle~ arasodes yofila fizikuri sinaTlis aRsaniSnavad gamoyenebuli.

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, ara. am SemTxvevaSi sinaTle niSnavs pirvel potenciurobas, romelic laias wertilidan gamoiRviZebs da Zala xdeba; igi aradiferencirebuli materiis pirvel vibracias warmoadgens. amis Sedegad es materia obieqturi xdeba da gadadis planze, romlisganac gamJRavneba iwyeba.

SekiTxva – Semdeg `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ mtkicdeba, rom sibnele sinaTles xiluls xdis, ufro sworad, rom sibnele dasabamidan arsebobs, sinaTle ki obieqtebis gaCenis Sedegia, romlebic (obieqtebi) am sibneles aireklavs, anu obieqturi samyaros Sedegia. Tu wyliT savse sferul WurWelSi eleqtrul sxivs gavatarebT, SevniSnavT, rom sxivi mxolod im SemTxvevaSi iqneba xiluli, Tu wyali sinaTlis gaumtar nawilakebs Seicavs – maTi wyalobiT Cven sinaTlis laqebs davinaxavT. warmoadgens Tu ara es karg analogias?

pasuxi – vfiqrob, es sakmaod kargi ilustraciaa.

SekiTxva – magram, gana sinaTle vibraciis diferenciacia ar aris?

pasuxi – ase gveubneba mecniereba. bgerazec igive SeiZleba iTqvas. amitom gasagebia, rom SegrZnebebi ramdenadme urTierTSemcvlelia. magaliTad, rogor axsniT im faqts, rom transis mdgomareobaSi winaswarmWvrets SeuZlia werili waikiTxos, Tu mas Sublze, terfebze an gulis kovzTan arsebul fosoze miidebs?

SekiTxva – es damatebiTi grZnobaa.

pasuxi – sulac ara. ubralod mxedveloba SeiZleba SexebasTan urTierTSenacvlebadi iyos.

SekiTxva – magram gana gamWriaxoba meeqvse grZnobis dasawyisi ar aris?

pasuxi – es mocemul SemTxvevas ar exeba; es SemTxveva mxolod Sexebisa da mxedvelobis grZnobebis urTierTSenacvlebas amowmebs. magram aseT winaswarmWvretebs ar SeuZliaT im werilis Sinaarsis gadmocema, romelic ar unaxavT da romelTanac maT kontaqti ar hqoniaT. amisaTvis meeqvse grZnobis varjiSia saWiro. magram Tu pirvel SemTxvevaSi laparakia grZnobebis varjiSze fizikur planze, ukanasknelSi – grZnobebis varjiSze umaRles planze.

SekiTxva – fiziologias, albaT, SeuZlia daadasturos, rom yoveli grZnoba SeiZleba miyvanil iqnas Sexebamde, romelsac SeiZleba makoordinirebeli grZnoba daerqvas. es daskvna embriologiuri gamokvlevis Catarebis Sedegad gakeTda; am gamokvlevam gviCvena, rom Sexeba pirvel da amosaval grZnobas warmoadgens da rom yvela danarCeni grZnoba misgan ganviTarda. amrigad, yvela grZnoba Sexebis ufro metad specializirebul, anu diferencirebul, formas warmoadgens.

pasuxi – aRmosavleTis filosofia am Sexedulebas ar iziarebs. `anu-gitaSi~ moTxrobilia brahmansa da mis cols Soris dialogze Svidi grZnobis Sesaxeb, `gonebisa da gagebis~ CaTvliT. `anu-gita~ b-nma trimbak telangma da profesorma maqs miulerma

Targmnes, Tumca maTi Targmani sanskritis sityvebis zust mniSvnelobas ar iZleva. indusebi amtkiceben, rom pirveli grZnoba bgerasTanaa dakavSirebuli. saeWvoa, rom es Sexebis grZnoba SeiZleba iyos.

SekiTxva – SesaZloa, sityva SexebaSi mgrZnobiaroba an SegrZnebis raime unari igulisxmeba.

pasuxi – magram aRmosavleTis filosofiis mixedviT Tavidan bgeris aRqma Cndeba, Semdeg ki – xedvis unari. amasTan bgerebi ferebad iqceva. winaswarmWvretelebs SeuZliaT bgerebi dainaxon da yoveli nota da modulacia ufro mkveTrad gaarCion, vidre bgeriTi vibracia rom mxolod smenis meSveobiT aReqvaT.

SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom bgera aRiqveba rogorc erTgvari ritmuli moZraoba?

pasuxi – diax. da aseTi vibraciebi didi manZilidan ukeTesad Cans, vidre ismis.

SekiTxva – magram, Tu davuSvebT, rom adamianma fizikuri smena dakarga, da igi bgerebis aRqmas Sinagani mxedvelobiT iwyebs, gana ar SeiZleba am SegrZnebis interpretacia rogorc winaswarsmena?

pasuxi – raRac wertilSi erTi grZnoba, cxadia, meores unda Seerwyas. aseTive saxiT bgeris aRqmac SeiZleba gemos aRqmaSi gadavides. zogierTi sensitivisTvis (mgrZnobiaresTvis) garkveul bgerebs gansakuTrebuli mlaSe gemo aqvs, sxva bgerebs – tkbili. sinamdvileSi SegrZnebaTa mTeli skala erTmaneTTan Tanafardobas emorCileba.

SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi ynosvis grZnobazec igive SeiZleba iTqvas?

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda. rakiRa grZnobebis erTmaneTTan Tanafardobis SesaZleblobas vaRiarebT, SegviZlia vTqvaT, rom isini urTierTSemcvlelia. ufro metic, maT yvelas SeuZlia mniSvnelovnad gaZlierdes an saxecvlileba ganicados. albaTAaxla

TqvenTvis gasagebia amaze miTiTeba vedebsa da upaniSadebSi, sadac naTqvamia, rom bgerebis SegrZneba SesaZlebelia.

SekiTxva – Jurnal `harper~-is bolo nomerSi saintereso statiaa samxreTis zRvis erT-erT kunZulze mcxovrebi tomis Sesaxeb, romelmac laparakis, anu metyvelebis daxmarebiT urTierTobis unari, praqtikulad dakarga. miuxedavad amisa, rogorc aRmoCnda, am mkvidrebs erTmaneTis gageba da erTmaneTis azrebis naTlad danaxva SeeZloT.

pasuxi – saeWvoa, rom msgavsi `simarTlis samefo~ awyobdes Tanamedrove sazogadoebas. Tumca amboben, rom pirveli rasebis warmomadgenlebs erTmaneTTan swored aseTi saxis urTierToba hqondaT. maTi azrebi obieqtur formas iRebda da mxolod SemdgomSi daiwyo danawevrebul metyvelebad gaformeba. da Tu es asea, maSin adamianuri rasis evoluciaSi unda iyos iseTi periodi, rodesac mTeli kacobrioba sensitivebisa da winaswarmWvretebisgan Sedgeboda.

sxdoma 4 (stansa 1 Sl. 6-9; stansa 2 Sl. 1-2)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 31 ianvars b-n t.b. harbotlis TavmjdomareobiT

stansa 1 (gagrZeleba) SekiTxva – SlokaSi (6) laparakia `Svidi umaRlesi meufis~ Sesaxeb. radgan terminebis xmarebis mimarTebaSi dabneuloba SeiZleba warmoiSvas, amitom ganmarteT, ra gansxvavebaa dhian- koganebs, planetarul sulebs, mSeneblebsa da dhiani-budebs Soris?

pasuxi – imis gamo, rom yvela ierarqiis aRwerisaTvis `saidumlo doqtrinis~ ori damatebiTi tomi iqneboda saWiro, amitom stansebsa da komentarebSi am sakiTxebidan mravali xelSeuxebeli darCa. magram SeiZleba mokle gansazRvreba mieces. dhian-kogani saerTo terminia yvela devas, anu ciur arsebaTa, aRsaniSnavad. planetaruli suli planetis mmarTveli, anu Taviseburi saboloo, anu piradi, RmerTia. magram arsebobs mkveTrad gamoxatuli gansxvaveba wminda planetebis mmarTvelebsa da mcire `samyaroTa mwkrivebis~ (Cvenis msgavsi) mmarTvelebs Soris. magram imis mtkiceba, rom dedamiwas eqvsi uxilavi globusi da oTxi sxvadasxva plani aqvs, iseve, rogorc sxva nebismier planetas, seriozul winaaRmdegobas ar iwvevs, radgan mraval mimarTebaSi maT Soris gansxvaveba mniSvnelovania. vinc da rac ar unda Tqvas, Cveni dedamiwa uZvelesTa Svidi wminda planetis ricxvSi arasodes yofila Sesuli, Tumca egzoterikul popularul astrologiaSi iTvleba, rom dedamiwa enacvleba saidumlo planetas, romelic astronomiisTvis dakarguli, magram gandobilebisTvis kargad cnobilia. wminda planetebis ricxvSi arasodes iyo Sesuli arc mze, arc mTvare (Tumca Tanamedrove astrologia amas amtkicebs), vinaidan mze centraluri varskvlavia, mTvare ki mkvdari planetaa. SekiTxva – Sedioda Tu ara `dedamiwiseuli mwkrivis~ romelime sfero wminda planetaTa ricxvSi? pasuxi – ara, arc erTi maTgani. wmindaTa ricxvSi Sedioda planetebi Cvens planze, da Semdeg zogierTi maTgani aRmoCenil iqna. SekiTxva – xom ar gvetyodiT raimes im planetebis Sesaxeb, romlebic mziTa da mTvariT Seicvala? pasuxi – es ar aris saidumloeba, Tumca Tanamedrove astrologebisTvis am planetebis Sesaxeb araferia cnobili. erT-erTi maTgani merkuris Sida planetas warmoadgens da vulkanis saxelwodebas atarebs. mecniereba am planetis arsebobas varaudobs. sxva planetis danaxva zogjer garkveul dros RamiT SeiZleba da, rogorc Cans, mTvaris gverdiT. igi aRmosavleTidan dasavleTisken moZraobs. am planetis okulturi gavlena mTvaris meSveobiT gadaicema.

SekiTxva – ra mizezis gamo warmoadgens es planetebi wmindas, anu saidumlos? pasuxi – ramdenadac CemTvis cnobilia, maTi okulturi gavlenis gamo. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es imas, rom Svidi wminda planetis planetaruli sulebi dedamiwiseul ierarqias ki ar ganekuTvnebian, aramed raime sxvisas? pasuxi – albaT asea, radgan dedamiwis planetaruli suli arc Tu ise maRali rangisaa. ar dagaviwydeT, rom planetarul suls sulier adamianTan saerTo araferi aqvs; igi materialur obieqtebTan da kosmosur arsebTan aris dakavSirebuli. Cveni dedamiwis RmerTebi da mmarTvelebi kosmosur mmarTvelebs warmoadgenen, sxva sityvebiT, isini kosmosur materias formasa da moxazulobas uqmnian, ris gamoc maT kosmokratebi daerqvaT. maT arasodes hqoniaT urTierToba sulTan, maSin, roca dhiani-budebi, romlebic sul sxva ierarqias miekuTvnebian, uSualod arian sulTan dakavSirebuli. SekiTxva – e.i. es Svidi planetaruli suli sinamdvileSi dedamiwasTan mxolod umniSvnelod aris dakavSirebuli? pasuxi – piriqiT, planetaruli sulebi, romlebic dhiani-budebs ar warmoadgenen, dedamiwasTan srulad arian dakavSirebuli, fizikurad da moralurad. swored isini marTaven mis beds da adamianTa beds. isini karmul Zalebs warmoadgenen. SekiTxva – aqvT Tu ara maT raime damokidebuleba mexuTe principTan – umaRles manasTan? pasuxi – ara. sam umaRles principTan maT damokidebuleba ara aqvT, magram meoTxesTan erTgvari damokidebuleba gaaCniaT. dhiani-budebi ki yvela ciur arsebaTa saerTo dasaxelebaa. dhiani-budebi adamianis umaRles triadasTan saidumlo saxiT arian dakavSirebuli, ris Sesaxebac aq ar Rirs laparaki. rogorc ukve vTqvi, mSeneblebi klasia kosmokratebisa, anu uxilavi, magram gonieri masonebisa, romlebic materias formas uqmnian idealuri gegmis Sesabamisad, romelic momzadebulia imis mier, rasac Cven RvTaebriv an kosmosur warmoebas vuwodebT. adreulma masonebma maT krebiTi

dasaxeleba misces - `samyaros diadi arqiteqtori~. axla ki Tanamedrove masonebisTvis `s.d.a~ maTi piradi da erTaderTi RmerTia. SekiTxva – gana mSeneblebic aseve planetarul sulebs ar warmoadgenen? pasuxi – raRaca gagebiT warmodgenen, radgan dedamiwac planetaa, Tumca ufro dabali rigis. SekiTxva – isini dedamiwis planetaruli sulis xelmZRvanelobiT moqmedeben? pasuxi – am wuTas vTqvi, rom erTobliobaSi isini TviTon warmoadgenen am suls. minda gaigoT, rom isini ar arian arsebebi an erTgvari piradi RmerTi; isini bunebis Zalebia, romlebic moqmedeben erTi gardauvali kanonis Sesabamisad, romlis xasiaTzec, ra Tqma unda, varaudi usargebloa. SekiTxva – magram gana ar arseboben samyaroebis aseTive mSeneblebi, sistemebis mSeneblebi da Cveni dedamiwis mSeneblebi? pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, arseboben. SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom dedamiwiseuli mSeneblebi iseTive planetarul suls warmoadgenen, rogorc yvela danarCeni, oRond ufro dabali rigis? pasuxi – diax, swored ase vityodi. SekiTxva – warmoadgenen Tu ara isini dabals planetis zomis gamo an dabals xarisxis gamo? pasuxi – rogorc Cven gvaswavlian, xarisxis gamo. Zvel xalxebs qedmaRloba ar gaaCndaT, romelic Tanamedrove adamianebs, da gansakuTrebiT Teologebs, axasiaTebT. mis gamo talaxis es patara koSti raRaca warmoudgenlad didebulad iTvleba, vidre CvenTvis cnobili nebismieri varskvlavi an planeta. magaliTisTvis, Tu ezoterikuli filosofia gvaswavlis, rom iupiteris suli (isev da isev koleqtiuri) dedamiwis sulze gacilebiT maRlaa, es imitom, rom misi substancia da struqtura ufro faqizia, vidre dedamiwisa. da am TvisebaTa Tanazomierad Sesabamisi planetaruli mSeneblebis

ierarqiebi asaxaven da realizebas ukeTeben samyaroebriv cnobierebas, romelic swored samyaros namdvili diadi arqiteqtoria. SekiTxva – es aris samyaros suli, anu Anima Mundi? pasuxi – Tu gnebavT, ase uwodeT. igi arqetipia am ierarqiebisa, romlebic mis diferencirebul tipebs warmoadgenen. samyaros erTaderTi upirovno diadi arqiteqtori aris mahati, anu samyaroebrivi goniereba. mahati aris simbolo, abstraqcia, aspeqti, romelmac adamianis warmodgenebSi (adamiani cdilobs yvelafers materialuri Tvisebebi misces) bundovani obieqturad arsebuli forma SeiZina. SekiTxva – raSi gamoixateba dhiani-budebs Soris namdvili gansxvaveba orTodoqsalur da ezoterikul gagebaSi? pasuxi – filosofiuri TvalsazrisiT gansxvaveba Zalian didia. budistebi maT umaRles devebs, bodhisatvebs uwodeben. egzoterikis TvalsazrisiT isini xuTia; ezoterikuli skolebi ki aswavlian, rom isini Svidia, da yvela isini ierarqias warmoadgenen, da ara erTeul arsebs. Q`saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ naTqvamia, rom xuTi buda ukve iyo mosuli, da kidev ori meeqvse da meSvide rasis dros unda movides. egzoterikulad maT vajra-satva, umaRlesi goniereba, anu umaRlesi buda meTaurobs, magram vajra dhara mainc aRemateba mas zustad iseve, rogorc para-brahmani brahmas an mahats aRemateba. amrigad, dhian-budebis egzoterikuli da okulturi mniSvnelobebi sruliad gansxvavebulia. egzoterikulad TiToeuli samebas, anu samTa erTianobas, warmoadgens, romelTaganac yoveli maTgani danarCenebTan erTad sam samyaroSi mJRavndeba – rogorc adamiani buda dedamiwaze, dhiani-buda astralur formaTa samyaroSi da rogorc arupa, anu formis armqone, buda nirvanas umaRles samefoSi. ase, budasTvis, romelic am dhianebidan erT-erTis adamianur ganxorcielebas warmoadgens, dedamiwaze sxvadasxva sxeulebSi yofna SezRudulia Svididan Svidi aTas wlamde, radgan, adamianebad arsebobis gamo, isini Cveulebriv miwier pirobebs, ubedur SemTxvevebsa da sikvdils eqvemdebarebian. sxva mxriv, ezoterikul filosofiaSi es niSnavs, rom am droisTvis Svidi dhian-

budadan, ufro sworad, Svidi ierarqiidan am dhianebisa, romlebic budistur misticizmSi umaRlesi ganxorcielebuli gonierebebis, anu indusTa kumarebis, identurebia, mxolod xuTi maTgani Cndeboda dedamiwaze regularulad ganxorcielebaTa Tanamimdevrul rigSi. danarCeni ori ki meeqvse da meSvide ZiriTadi rasis dros unda movides. da kvlav es ramdenadme alegoriaa, radgan meeqvse da meSvide ierarqiebi ukve xorcieldebodnen dedamiwaze danarCenebTan erTad. magram, imis gamo, rom meoTxe ZiriTadi rasis TiTqmis dasawyisSi maT e.w. `budas mdgomareobas~ miaRwies, iTvleba, rom im droidan isini gacnobierebuli netarebisa da Tavisuflebis mdgomareobaSi imyofebian – meSvide wris dawyebamde, roca isini saTaveSi Caudgebian kacobriobas rogorc budebis axal rasas. es dhianebi mxolod kacobriobasTan arian dakavSirebuli, ufro sworad, mxolod adamianTa umaRles `principebTan~.

SekiTxva – midian Tu ara dhiani-budebi da globusebze pasuxismgebeli planetaruli sulebi pralaiaSi, roca maTi planetebi am mdgomareobaSi Sedian?

pasuxi – mxolod meSvide wris bolos, da ara calkeuli wreebis bolos, radgan maT kanonebis Sesrulebas unda adevnon Tvali am mcire pralaiebis dros. am sakiTxze ufro dawvrilebiTi informacia `saidumlo doqtrinis~ mesame tomSia moTavsebuli. magram yvela es gansxvaveba, sinamdvileSi, funqcionaluria, radgan isini erTi da igive arsis aspeqtebs warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom aqtiurobis periodis dros dhianebis ierarqia, romelic kanonTa Sesrulebas uzrunvelyofs erTi wris ganmavlobaSi, globusTa mTel mwkrivs adevnebs Tvals? Tu igi erT garkveul globuss uTvalTvalebs?

pasuxi – arian dhianebi, romlebic xorcieldebian, da arian dhianebi, romlebic Tval-yurs adevneben. pirvelTa funqciebze amwuTas vTqvi. ukanasknelebi Tavis amocanebs Semdegnairad asruleben. yoveli klasi, anu ierarqia, erT-erT wres Seesabameba. pirveli, dabali, ierarqia Seesabameba pirvel wres, romelmac yvelaze ufro naklebi ganviTareba miiRo; meore ierarqia – meore wres, da a. S. meSvide wremde, romelic Svidi dhianis umaRlesi

ierarqiis mier imarTeba. bolo wreSi isini dedamiwaze aRmoCndebian, iseve, rogorc zogierTi planetaruli suli, radgan mTeli kacobrioba ukve bodhisatvebi, maTi sakuTari `Zeebi~, gaxdebian, anu `maTi sakuTari sulisa da arsis `Zeebi~, anu TviT mad iqcevian. amrigad, dhianebsa da planetarul sulebs Soris mxolod funqcionaluri sxvaoba arsebobs. pirvelni absoluturad RvTaebrivebia, ukanasknelni - varskvlavuri bunebisani. pirvelT ewodebaT anupadaka, anu `umSoblo~, radgan isini gamoasxiva iman, rac arc mamaa, arc deda; igi gaumJRavnebeli logosia. sinamdvileSi, isini Svidi logosis sulier aspeqts warmoadgenen. planetaruli sulebi ki erTobliobaSi, rogorc Svidi sefiroti (kabalaSi: umaRles arsebaTa safarvlis sami zekosmosuri abstraqcia), ciur adamians, anu adam kadmons Seadgenen. budizmSi `dhiani~ yvela RmerTis aRmniSvneli saerTo dasaxeleba an abreviaturaa. miuxedavad amisa, ar unda gvaviwydebodes, rom Tumca isini RmerTebi arian, da mainc maT Tayvans ar scemen.

SekiTxva – ratom, Tuki isini RmerTebia?

pasuxi – imitom rom aRmosavluri filosofia pirad da kosmosisgareTa RvTaebas uaryofs. xolo vinc amas aTeizms uwodebs, mas Semdegs vetyvi. erTi aseTi RmerTisTvis Tayvaniscema aralogikuria, imitom rom, rogorc bibliaSi iTqva, `aris mravali RmerTi da ufalic bevria~. maSasadame, Tu gindaT Tayvani sceT, iZulebuli iqnebiT an mraval RmerTs sceT Tayvani, romelTagan TiToeuli arc ukeTesia da arc naklebad SezRuduli, vidre danarCeni (politeizmi da kerpTayvanismcemloba), an, rogorc es israelebma gaakeTes, erT-erT maTgans, da mas sagvareulo, anu rasobriv RmerTad aqcevT. rodesac mravali RmerTis arseboba gwamT, Tqvens RmerTs umaRles RmerTad, anu `RmerTebis RmerTad~ CaTvliT, sxvebs ki ignorirebas gaukeTebT an SeiZulebT. magram es logikas ewinaaRmdegeba, radgan amgvari RmerTi ar SeiZleba iyos arc usasrulo, arc absoluturi. igi sasruli unda iyos, anu SezRuduli da droiTa da sivrciT ganpirobebuli. pralaias dadgomisas sagvareulo RmerTi gaqreba. brahmac, da sxva devebi da RmerTebic absoluts erwymian. amitom okultistebi maT Tayvans ar scemen da ar loculoben – winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi Cven an unda mravali RmerTisTvis gveca Tayvani, an absolutisTvis gveloca, romelsac

atributebi ar gaaCnia da amitom ar SeuZlia hqondes yurebi, rom Cveni xma gaigos. isic ki, vinc mraval RmerTs scems Tayvans, yvela sxva RmerTis winaSe aucileblad usamarTlo iqneba. da rogorc ar unda ecados Tavis locvaSi yvela RmerTi moicvas, aRmoCndeba, rom yoveli maTganisTvis cal-calke Tayvaniscema praqtikulad SeuZlebelia. da, Tuki arcodnis gamo igi erT romelimes airCevs, es sruliadac ar niSnavs, rom yvelaze ufro srulyofils airCevs. amitom gacilebiT ukeTesi iqneba, Tuki mas ar daaviwydeba, rom yovel adamianSi aris RmerTi, anu absolutis pirdapiri sxivi, erTianis zeciuri sxivi, da rom misi `RmerTi~ TviT masSia, da ara mis gareT.

SekiTxva – aqvs Tu ara ierarqias, romelic Cveni globusis mTel evolucias adevnebs Tvals, raime saxeli, rogorc, magaliTad, brahma?

pasuxi – ara, aris mxolod saerTo dasaxeleba. es aris Svideuloba da ierarqia, Tu mas, ra Tqma unda, dedamiwis sulebs ar davarqmevT, rogorc amas zogierTi kabalisti akeTebs.

SekiTxva – Zalian Znelia RmerTebis yvela am usasrulo ierarqiebis damaxsovreba.

pasuxi – qimikosisTvis ufro advili ar aris qimiur niSanTa usasrulo ricxvis damaxsovreba, Tuki, ra Tqma unda, specialistia igi. Tumca mxolod indoeTSi 300 milioni RmerTi da qalRmerTia. manu da riSic planetaruli RmerTebia, ramdenadac, amboben, rom isini adamianuri rasis warmoqmnasTan erTad gaCndnen, raTa maTi evoluciisTvis eTvalTvalaT da rom dedamiwaze daSvebuliyvnen da ganxorcielebuliyvnen kacobriobis swavlebisaTvis. kidev aris sapta-riSi, anu Svidi riSi, romlebic, rogorc egzoterika amtkicebs, didi daTvis TanavarskvlavedSi imyofebian. isinic planetaruli RmerTebia.

SekiTxva – isini brahmaze maRla dganan?

pasuxi – es damokidebulia imaze, Tu ra TvalsazrisiT ganixilavT brahmas. ezoterikul filosofiaSi igi Svidi logosis sinTezia. egzoterikul TeologiaSi vaiSnavebisTvis igi viSnus aspeqtia,

sxvebisTvis – kidev viRac, rogorc, magaliTad, trimurtiSi, indusur samebaSi, igi mTavari Semqmnelia, maSin, roca viSnu damcvelia, Siva ki – gamanadgurebeli. kabalaSi es, ra Tqma unda, adam kadmonia – adamiani `mamrobiTi da mdedrobiTi sqesisa~ `dabadeba~-s pirveli Tavidan. rogorc manu brahmadan warmoiSvnen, aseve sefirotebi warmoiSvnen adam kadmonidan, da isini Svidi da aTia garemoebebisgan damokidebulebiT. da Cven ukve SegviZlia stansas Semdegi Slokas ganmartebaze gadavideT.

Sloka (9) magram sad iyo dangma, rodesac samyaros alaia (suli, rogorc yovelives safuZveli, Anima Mundi) paramarThaSi (absoluturi yofiereba da cnobiereba, romelic aris absoluturi ara-yofiereba da aracnobiereba) iyo, da diadi borbali anupadaka1 iyo?

SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara `alaia~ imas, rac arasodes mJRavndeba da arasodes zavdeba, da Sedgeba Tu ara es sityva uaryofiTi `a~ nawilakisgan da `laia~ Zirisgan?

pasuxi – Tu etimologiurad es asec aris, amis mtkicebisTvis mzad ar var. yovel SemTxvevaSi, aq dapirispirebuloba saxezea. ramdenadac `laia~ aris is, rac gamJRavnebuli ar aris, maSasadame, `alaia~ aris is, rac aragamJRavnebuli ar aris. sadac ar unda migviyvanos sityva `alaias~ etimologiurma viviseqciam, igi mxolod `samyaros suls~, Anima Mundi-s niSnavs. amas TviT 1 anupadaka (sankr.) - TviTarsebuli

Slokac adasturebs, sadac naTqvamia, rom alaia paramarThaSi iyo, anu absolutur arayofierebaSi da aracnobierebaSi, da erTdroulad absolutur srulyofilebas, anu TviT absoluturobas warmoadgenda. miuxedavad amisa, sityva `alaia~ ganxeTqilebis vaSlad rCeba Crdilo-budisturi iogis skolebisTvis – ioga-Caria-sa da madhiamaka-sTvis. am ukanasknelis dogmatizmi paramarThas (satias) raRac sxva sagnebze damokidebulad aqcevs da, maSasadame, gamodis, rom igi am sagnebs ganekuTvneba; amgvarad, sityva `absoluturobis~ mTeli metafizikuri filosofia gaukuRmarTebulia. meore skola aseT interpretacias sruliad samarTlianad uaryofs.

SekiTxva – gana ezoterikuli filosofia imave doqtrinebs ar aswavlis, rasac skola ioga-Caria?

pasuxi – mTlad ase ar aris. modiT ganvagrZoT.

stansa 2 Sloka (1) ...sad iyvnen mSeneblebi, manvantaris ganTiadis sxivmosili Zeebi? ...Seucnobad wyvdiadSi, maTs paraniSpanas ah-hiSi (koganiurSi, dhiani-budhiurSi). ara-formidan (arupa) formebis (rupa) Semqmnelebi – samyaro-devamatrisa da svabhavatis fesvi, ara-yofierebis netarebaSi isvenebdnen.

SekiTxva – warmoadgenen Tu ara `manvantaris ganTiadis sxivmosili Zeebi~ ukanaskneli manvantaris srulyofil adamianur sulebs Tu kacobriobisken mimaval gzaze arian am an Semdeg manvantarSi?

pasuxi – mocemul SemTxvevaSi, rodesac mahapralaias Sesacvlelad mahamanvantara movida, isini kacobriobisken mimaval gzaze arian. isini is Tavdapirveli Svidi sxivi arian, risganac Tavis mxriv yvela sxva sxivmosili da arasxivmosili sicocxle axdens emanacias, iqnebian eseni mTavarangelozebi, eSmakebi, adamianebi Tu maimunebi. zogierTebi ukve iyvnen,

zogierTebi ki mxolod axla apireben adamianur arsebad gaxdomas. mxolod Svidi sxivis diferenciaciis Semdeg da mas Semdeg, roca bunebis Svidi Zala aiyvans xelSi da maTze imuSavebs, isini an qvakuTxedebi gaxdebian, an Tixis ukugdebul natexebad iqcevian. amrigad, yvelaferi am Svid sxivSia moTavsebuli, magram am etapze SeuZlebelia imis Tqma, Tu romel maTganSi, radgan maT jer diferenciacia da individualizacia ar ganicades.

SekiTxva – Semdeg abzacSi naTqvamia: `mSeneblebi~, `manvantaris ganTiadis Zeebi~, samyaros WeSmariti Semqmnelebi arian; da am doqtrinaSi, romelic mxolod Cvens planetaTa sistemas exeba, isini, rogorc am sistemis xuroTmoZRvrebi (aseve Svidi sferos `mcvelebad~ iwodebian, romlebic egzoterikulad warmoadgenen Svid planetas da ezoterikulad Svid dedamiwas, anu sferos, globuss), aseve Cvens mwkrivSi arian~. igulisxmeba Tu ara planetaTa sistemaSi mzis sistema, Tu mwkrivi, romelsac Cveni dedamiwa ekuTvnis?

pasuxi – mSeneblebi isini arian, romlebic aSeneben da obieqtebs formas aZleven. es sityva Tanabrad SeiZleba vixmaroT rogorc samyaros mSeneblebis mimarTebaSi, aseve mcire globusebisa, imaTi msgavsisa, Cvens mwkrivSi rom Sedian. planetaTa sistemaSi mxolod Cveni mzis sistema igulisxmeba.

Sloka (2) sad iyo mdumareba? sad aris smena, igi rom SeigrZnos? Aara, ar iyo arc mdumareba, arc xma.

SekiTxva – SekiTxva Semdeg abzacs exeba: `azri imis Sesaxeb, rom sagnebma SeiZleba arseboba Sewyvitos da mainc iyos, aRmosavleTis fsiqologiis safuZvels warmoadgens. terminTa am aSkara winaaRmdegobaSia moTavsebuli bunebis faqti, romlis Segnebac gonebiT gacilebiT ufro mniSvnelovania, vidre sityvebis ganxilva. msgavsi paradoqsis axlo magaliTs qimiuri kombinacia iZleva. kiTxva, wyvets Tu ara arsebobas wyalbadi da Jangbadi, rodesac isini erTdeba, rom wyali warmoiqmnas, dResac

sakamaToa~. sworia Tu ara, rom Cven mier aRqmuli erTi da imave substanciis sxva `elementia~? magaliTad Tu substancia gazisebr mdgomareobaSia, Cven haeris elements aRviqvamT. Jangbadi da wyalbadi ki, rodesac erTdeba da wyali iqmneba, wylis elementis saxiT gamodis. xolo rodesac isini yinulis myar mdgomareobaSia, CveniT aRiqveba rogorc miwis elementi.

pasuxi – umecari adamianebi sagnebze maTi garegnobis mixedviT msjeloben, da ara maTi namdvili arsis mixedviT. ra Tqma unda, dedamiwaze wyali is elementia, romelic sxva nebismieri elementisgan mniSvnelovnad gansxvavebulia, Tuki ukanasknel termins erTisa da imaves sxvadasxva gamovlinebis aRsaniSnavad gamoviyenebT. ZiriTadi elementebi: miwa, haeri, wyali da cecxli – diferenciaciis gacilebiT ufro met yovlismomcvel mdgomareobebs warmoadgens. da raki asea, okultizmSi erTi nivTierebis meored gardaqmna SesaZlebelia, radgan Cven vxedavT, rom sinamdvileSi arsebulidan araferi iseTs ar warmoadgens, rogoric igi savaraudod unda iyos.

SekiTxva – magram Jangbadi, romelic Cveulebrivad gazisebr mdgomareobaSi imyofeba, SeiZleba gaTxevaddes da myari sxeulis mdgomareobamdec ki gamkvrivdes. SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom gazisebr mdgomareobaSi yofnisas Jangbadi CveniT aRiqveba rogorc haeris okulturi elementi, Txevad mdgomareobaSi – rogorc wylis elementi, da myar mdgomareobaSi – rogorc miwis elementi?

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda. upirveles yovlisa Cven gvaqvs cecxlis elementi, Cveulebrivi cecxlis ki ara, aramed Sua saukuneebis rozenkreicerebis cecxlisa, erTiani cecxlisa, sicocxlis cecxlisa. diferencirebis Semdeg igi xdeba cecxli sxvadasxva aspeqtSi. okultizmi iolad xsnis gamocanas, wyvets Tu ara arsebobas Jangbadi da wyalbadi mas Semdeg, rogorc ki erTimeores erTvis da wylad iqceva. samyaroSi arsebulidan raimes gaqroba SeuZlebelia. am ori gazis SeerTebisa da wylis warmoqmnis Semdeg isini wyalSi in abscondito (farul mdgomareobaSi) imyofeba, magram arsebobas ar wyvets. radgan maTi gaqrobis SemTxvevaSi mecniereba kvlav dayofda wyals Jangbadad da wyalbadad da arafrisgan raRacas Seqmnida, da aseT

SemTxvevaSi mas TeologiasTan araviTari azrTa sxvaoba ar eqneboda. amrigad, wyali elementia (rakiRa Cven gadavwyviteT ase vuwodoT mas) mxolod am planze. zustad aseve Jangbadi da wyalbadic Tavis mxriv SeiZleba sxva ufro faqiz elementebad daiyos. da es yvelaferi erTiani elementis, anu samyaroebrivi substanciis, diferenciaciis Sedegs warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom yvela nivTiereba fizikur planze sinamdvileSi ZiriTadi elementebis korelaciis an kombinaciis Sedegia da Tavdapirvelad erTiani elementidan warmoiSoba?

pasuxi – savsebiT sworia. okultizmSi yovelTvis ukeTesia universaluridan kerZosken svla.

SekiTxva – okultizmi imas emyareba, rom yovel adamianSi WeSmariti codnis dauflebis faruli unari arsebobs. WeSmaritebis Secnebis es unari saSualebas aZlevs mas universalurTan uSualo SexebaSi Sevides, Tuki igi mkafiod, logikurad iazrovnebs da faqtebze Tvals ar dxuWavs. amrigad, am Sinagani sulieri Zalis daxmarebiT, romelic yovel adamianSi arsebobs, Cven SegviZlia universaluridan kerZosken viaroT.

pasuxi – swored asea. es unari yvelas axasiaTebs, magram igi swavlebis Cveni meTodebiTaa paralizebuli, gansakuTrebiT imiT, romlebic aristotelesa da bekonisganaa gadmoRebuli. Cven vxedavT hipoTezis triumfalur batonobas.

SekiTxva – sainteresoa Sopenhauerisa da hartmanis wakiTxva da dakvirveba, Tu rogor nabij-nabij qmnian mkafio da logikur daskvnebs, romlebic saR azrzea damyarebuli, da imave fuZemdebel ideebamde midian, romlebic saukuneebis winaT indoeTSi iyo cnobili da gansakuTrebiT vedanturi sistemis mier iyo daculi. ra Tqma unda, Sedaveba SeiZleba – TiTqos isini induqciuri meTodis gamoyenebis wyalobiT mividnen am ideebamde. magram, yovel SemTxvevaSi Sopenhaueris mimarTebaSi saqme ase ar iyo. igi TviTon gamotyda, rom mas idea uceb daebada, moxda gonebis ganaTeba, rogorc gaelveba. miiRo ra aseTi saxiT Tavisi fuZemdebeli idea, man faqtebi ise daasistema, rom

mkiTxvels eCveneba, TiTqos idea, romelic sinamdvileSi man intuiciurad miiRo, arsebuli faqtebidan logikur daskvnas warmoadgens.

pasuxi – es sworia ara mxolod Sopenhaueris filosofiis, aramed Tanamedroveobis yvela didi aRmoCenebis mimarTebaSic. magaliTad, rogor gaxsna niutonma gravitaciis kanoni? vaSlis ubralo Camovardnis Semdeg, da ara rTul eqsperimentTa seriebis Catarebis Sedegad. mova dro, rodesac platonis meTodi ase upirobod ar ukuigdeba da adamianebi keTilganwyobil damokidebulebaSi iqnebian swavlebis meTodebis mimarT, romlebic am uaRresad mniSvnelovani sulieri unaris ganviTarebis saSualebas iZleva.

sxdoma 5 (stansa 1 Sl. 5-8)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 7 Tebervals b-n u. kingslendis TavmjdomareobiT

stansa 2 (gagrZeleba) Sloka (3) Jami jer ar damdgara; sxivs CanasaxSi jer ar SeuRwevia; matri padma (deda-lotosi) jer ar daberila.

`Tavisi gamosvlis Semdeg maradiuli wyvdiadis sxivi mbrwyinavi sinaTlis, anu sicocxlis sxivi xdeba da gamsWvalavs Canasaxs – wertils samyaros kvercxSi, romelic materias warmoadgens misi abstraqtuli mniSvnelobiT~.

SekiTxva – sworia Tu ara, rom wertili samyaros kvercxSi igivea, rac wertili wreSi, anu gaumJRavnebeli logosi? pasuxi – ra Tqma unda ara. wertili wreSi gaumJRavnebeli logosia; gamJRavnebuli logosi samkuTxedia. piTagora ambobs marad gaumJRavnebel monadaze, romelic martoobaSi da wyvdiadSia. rodesac Jami dadgeba, igi Tavisi Tavidan pirvel ricxvs – erTs - gamouSvebs. dabla daSvebis Semdeg es ricxvi awarmoebs meore ricxvs – ors, ori ki Tavis mxriv awarmoebs sams, da warmoiqmneba samkuTxedi, formaTa samyaroSi pirveli dasrulebuli geometriuli figura. swored es idealuri, anu abstraqtuli, samkuTxedia wertili samyaros kvercxSi; momwifebis Semdeg es wertili, mesame gadaadgilebis Semdeg, kvercxidan gamova, rom samkuTxedi Seqmnas. indusur filosofiaSi es aris brahma-viraji, zogarSi (kabalisturi Teosofiis saxelmZRvanelo) ki – keter-xokma-bina. pirveli gamJRavnebuli logosi aris potencialoba, anu gaumJRavnebeli mizezi; meore logosi jer kidev latenturi (dafaruli) azria; mesame logosi demiurgia, anu aqtiuri nebaa; igi Tavisi samyaroebrivi me-dan aqtiur Sedegs warmoqmnis, romelic, Tavis mxriv, mezezi xdeba umdables planze.

SekiTxva – ra mniSvnelobiT aris aq gamoyenebuli sityvebi `maradiuli wyvdiadi~? pasuxi – vfiqrob, rom maradiuli wyvdiadi niSnavs maradiul Seucnobad saidumloebas safarvlis miRma, faqtiurad, parabrahmans. logossac ki mxolod mula-prakritis danaxva SeuZlia, mas ar SeuZlia dainaxos is, rac safarvlis miRma imyofeba. swored es aris `maradiuli miuwvdomeli wyvdiadi~.

SekiTxva – ra aris sxivi mocemul SemTxvevaSi?

pasuxi – mokled gavimeoreb. aviRoT wre. igi Savi ferisaa, wertili ki wreSi potenciurad TeTria. es aris uxilavi logosis pirveli SesaZlo koncefcia, romelic Cvens tvinSi warmoiqmneba. `wyvdiadi maradiulia~, sxivi ki periodulia. am centralur wertilSi anTebis Semdeg sxivi, romelic vibrirebs, Canasaxs gaivlis da kvlav wertilSi brundeba, Canasaxi ki samyaros kvercxSi meore logosad da samkuTxedad viTardeba.

SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi rogoria gamJRavnebis stadiebi?

pasuxi – pirveli stadia gaumJRavnebeli logosis wreSi potenciuri wertilis gamoCenaa. meore stadia potenciuri TeTri wertilidan sxivis gamosvlaa, ris Sedegadac Cndeba pirveli wertili, romelsac zogarSi keteri an sefira ewodeba. mesame stadia aris keteridan xokmisa da binis gamoCena da amgvarad pirveli samkuTxedis formireba; es samkuTxedi mesame, anu gamJRavnebul, logoss warmoadgens, sxva sityvebiT, subieqtur da obieqtur samyaros. amis Semdeg am gamJRavnebuli logosidan Svidi sxivi gamodis, romlebsac zogarSi dabali sefirotebi hqvia, aRmosavlur okultizmSi ki – pirveladi Svidi sxivi. maTSi ierarqiebis uTvalavi rigi iRebs dasawyiss.

SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara aq xsenebuli samkuTxedi imas, rasac Tqven samyaros kvercxSi Canasaxs uwodebT?

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda. magram unda gvaxsovdes, rom aris rogorc samyaros kvercxi, aseve mzis kvercxi (iseve, rogorc sxvebi), da aucilebelia maT mimarT yoveli mtkicebis kvalificireba. samyaros kvercxi abstraqtuli formis gamosaxvas warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba abstraqtul formas maradiuli qaluri principis pirveli gamovlena vuwodoT?

pasuxi – es forma warmoadgens pirvel gamovlenas ara qaluri principisa, aramed sxivisa, romelic centraluri wertilidan gamodis da absoluturad upirovnos warmoadgens. maradiuli qaluri principi ar arsebobs, radgan es sxivi warmoqmnis imas, rac orive sqesis gaerTianebul potencialobas warmoadgens, da araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar warmoadgens arc qalurs, arc mamakacurs. es saboloo diferenciacia mxolod materiaSi CaSvebis dros xdeba, roca samkuTxedi xdeba kvadrati, anu pirveli gaoTxmagebuli.

SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom samyaros kvercxi iseve upirovnoa, rogorc sxivi?

pasuxi – samyaros kvercxi gamJRavnebis mxolod da mxolod pirveli stadiaa. igi aradiferencirebuli pirveladi materiaa, romelSiac

sasicocxlo SemoqmedebiTi Canasaxi Tavis pirvel sulier impulss iRebs. potencialoba Zalad iqceva. materias qalur Tvisebebs mxolod da mxolod metaforulad miaweren, radgan igi mzis sxivebis aRmqmelia; es sxivebi materias anayofierebs da amitom warmoqmnis yovelive imas, rac mis zedapirze, anu am dabal planze, izrdeba. meore mxriv, Cveuli materia unda ganvixiloT mxolod rogorc substancia da araviTar SemTxvevaSi ar unda vilaparakoT masze rogorc romelime sqesis kuTvnilebaze. amrigad, kvercxi Tqven mier xsenebul nebismier planze niSnavs marad arsebul aradiferencirebul materias, romelic, zustad rom vTqvaT, materias sulac ar warmoadgens, aramed warmoadgens, rogorc Cven amas vuwodebT, atomebs. materia Tavis formebSi daSlas ganicdis, atomebi ki, romlebic nivTierebaTa kvintesencias warmoadgens, absoluturad mouSlelia. da aq `atomebSi~ vgulisxmob pirvelad RvTaebriv erTeulebs, da ara Tanamedrove mecnierebis `atomebs~. amave saxiT Canasaxi xatovani gamosaxvaa. Canasaxi yvelganaa, maSinac ki, roca wres wrewiri ara aqvs arsad, misi centri ki yvelganaa. es, Sesabamisad, niSnavs yvela Canasaxs, sxvagvarad rom vTqvaT, gaumJRavnebel bunebas, anu mTel SemoqmedebiT Zalas, romelic gamosxivdeba da romelsac indusebi brahmas uwodeben, Tumca sxvadasxva planze am Zalas sxvadasxva dasaxeleba aqvs.

SekiTxva – matri-padma maradiul kvercxs warmoadgens Tu perioduls? pasuxi – maradiul kvercxs; igi perioduli mxolod imis Semdeg gaxdeba, rogorc ki latenturi Canasaxidan pirveli logosis sxivi matri-padmaSi CaiRvreba; matri-padmaa swored es kvercxi, anu momavali samyaros dedis muceli. amis analogiurad qalis kvercxujredSi fizikur Canasaxs ar SeiZleba maradiuli ewodos, Tumca Canasaxis latentur suls, romelic mamakacis kvercxujredSia dafaruli bunebaSi, ase SeiZleba ewodos.

Sloka (4)

misi guli jer kidev ar gaxsnila erTiani sxivis SemTxveviTi arsebobisTvis, rom Semdeg Caagdos es sxivi, rogorc sami oTxSi, maias wiaRSi.

`magram rodesac `dadga Jami~, da igi RvTaebrivi azris (logosis, anda Anima Mundi-s, alaiis, mamakacis aspeqtis) fohatiuri anabeWdebis amTvisebeli xdeba, misi guli ixsneba~.

SekiTxva – gana RvTaebrivi azris fohatiuri anabeWdebi diferenciaciis ufro gvian stadias ar miekuTvneba? pasuxi – fohati, rogorc calke Zala, anu realoba, ufro gviani ganviTarebis Sedegia. `fohatiuri~ zedsarTavi saxelia da misi gamoyeneba ufro farTo gagebiT SeiZleba. `fohati~, rogorc zedsarTavi saxeli an realoba, logosis fohatiuri atributidan warmoiqmneba. eleqtrobis generireba ar SeiZleba iqidan, rac eleqtrul princips, anu elements, ar Seicavs. RvTaebrivi principi maradiulia, RmerTebi – periodulebi. fohati SaqTi, anu RvTaebrivi gonierebis Zalaa; brahmac da fohatic RvTaebrivi gonierebis aspeqtebia.

SekiTxva – gana komentarebSi SemoTavazebuli ar aris, rom azri, romelic mocemuli sakiTxis Sesaxeb stancaSi imyofeba, gamosaxulia gagebebiT, romlebic evoluciis ufro gvian stadias Seefardeba?

pasuxi – swored asea. araerTxel gamisvams xazi, rom pirveli tomis komentarebi TiTqmis mTlianad mzis sistemis evolucias exeba. stansebis silamaze da sibrZne imaSi mdgomareobs, rom maTi axsna Svid sxvadasxva planze SeiZleba, da ukanaskneli, Tanaxmad samyaros kanonisa Sesatyvisobisa da analogiis Sesaxeb mis umetesad diferencirebul, uxeS da fizikur aspeqtSi, asaxavs process, romelsac adgili aqvs pirvel, anu sufTa sulier, planze. SemiZlia erTxel da samudamod ganvacxado, rom pirvel stansebSi laparakia pralaias Semdeg gamoRviZebaze, da ara mxolod mzis sistemis evoluciaze. meore tomi ki Cvens dedamiwas aris miZRvnili.

SekiTxva – xom ar gvetyodiT, ra aris `fohatis~ namdvili mniSvneloba?

pasuxi – es aris uralo-altauri warmoSobis Sedgenili sityva, da mas ramdenime mniSvneloba aqvs. CineTSi sityva Pho an Fo niSnavs `cxovelur suls~, sasicocxlo nefeSs an cxovrebis sunTqvas. zogi ambobs, rom igi warmoiqmna sanskritis Bhu-dan, rc niSnavs `arsebobas~ an, ufro sworad, `arsebobis arss~. sityva Swayambhu amJamad niSnavs erTdroulad `brahmas~Dda `adamians~. igi niSnavs `TviTarsebobas~ da `TviTarsebuls~ - imas, rac ukvdavia, maradiuli sunTqvaa. Sat yofierebis potencialobaa, Pho – yofierebis Zala. magram sityvis mniSvneloba mTlianad imazea damokidebuli, Tu yuradRebas raze vamaxvilebT. da isev fohati mahats eTanafardeba. igi aris samyaros gonierebis asaxva, `Svidisa~ da Svidi SemoqmedebiTi mSeneblis (anu kosmokratebis, rogorc Cven maT vuwodebT) sinTezi. maSasadame, Cvens filosofiaSi, rogorc Tqven mixvdebiT, sicocxle da eleqtroba orive erTi arsia. Amboben, rom sicocxle eleqtrobaa, da Tu es asea, maSin erTiani sicocxle yvela eleqtruli da magnituri movlenis dedaarsi da wyaroa am gamJRavnebul planze.

SekiTxva – rogor unda gavigoT sityvebi imis Sesaxeb, rom gori da `RmerTebis sxva STamomavlebi~ `umanko dedaTa~ meSveobiT arian dabadebulni? pasuxi – diferenciaciis pirvel planze ar aris dayofa mdedrobiT da mamrobiT sqesebze, Tuki axsnisTvis xelsayrel bolo sityvas gamoviyenebT, magram pirvelad materiaSi orive sqesi potenciurad arsebobs. sityva `deda~ warmoiSva erTfuZiani sityvisagan `materia~, da amis gamo ukanasknels mdedrobiTi sqesi miekuTvneba. magram arsebobs materiis ori saxe. aradiferencirebuli pirveladi materia ar nayofierdeba raime moqmedebis Sedegad drosa da sivrceSi: nayofiereba da mwarmoebluroba mas dasabamidan axasiaTebs. amitom is, rac misTvis damaxasiaTebeli umankoebidan emanacias ganicdis, anu ibadeba, misgan ki ara, misi saSualebiT ibadeba. sxva sityvebiT, es umankoeba, anu Tviseba, imis erTaderT mizezs warmoadgens, rom esQraRaca Tavisi gamtaris meSveobiT mJRavndeba; maSin, roca fizikur planze deda-materia aqtiuri mizezi ki ar aris, aramed damoukidebeli mizezis pasiuri saSualeba da instrumentia.

umanko Casaxvis qristianul doqtrinaSi, romelic metafizikur da sulier koncefcias materialurs xdis, deda wminda suliT nayofierdeba, da misgan, da ara misi meSveobiT, Ze ibadeba. `isgan~ gulisxmobs SezRudul da ganpirobebul wyaros, romlisganac drosa da sivrceSi raRac warmoiSoba. `meSveobiT~ gamoyenebadia maradiulobisa da usazRvroebis mimarT iseve, rogorc raime sasrulis mimarT. diadi sunTqva pulsirebs sivrceSi. sivrce ukideganoa da maradisobidan ki ar gamodis, aramed masSi imyofeba.

SekiTxva – rogor iqceva samkuTxedi kvadratad, kvadrati ki – eqvswaxnaga kubad?

pasuxi – okultur da piTagoras geometriaSi iTvleba, rom tetrada Tavis TavSi yvelafer imas aerTianebs, risganac kosmosia Seqmnili. wertili, anu erTi, gadadis wrfeSi – orSi; wrfe – sibrtyeSi - samSi; da sibrtye, triada, anu samkuTxedi, rodesac mis Tavze wertili ismeba, gadadis geometriul sxeulSi – tetradaSi, anu oTxSi. kabalaSi keteri, anu sefira, anu wertili, gamoasxivebs xokmas da binas. es orive induistur puranebSi mahats Seesabameba, da es triada, rodesac materiaSi eSveba, warmoqmnis tetragramatons (RmerTis dasaxeleba, romelic oTx asosganaa Sedgenili, misi berZnuli tituli) an gaoTxebuls, aseve qveda tetradasac. es ricxvi Seicavs rogorc produqtiul, aseve warmoebul ricxvebs. gaormagebuli duada qmnis tetradas, gaormagebuli tetrada ki warmoqmnis Svids. sxva TvalsazrisiT, es aris umaRlesi suli, neba da goniereba, romlebic oTx dabal princips acocxlebs.

SekiTxva – maSin kvadrati rogor iqceva eqvswaxnaga kubad?

pasuxi – kvadrati kubad maSin iqceva, roca samkuTxedis yoveli qimi ormagi xdeba, mamrobiTi an mdedrobiTi. piTagorelebi ambobdnen: `erTjer erTi, orjer ori da miiReba tetrada, romelsac wveroze umaRlesi erTi aqvs; igi piramida xdeba, romlis fuZeSic brtyeli tetradaa; masze dacemuli RvTaebrivi sinaTle qmnis abstraqtul kubs~. kubis zedapiri eqvsi kvadratisgan Sedgeba, gaSlili kubi ki warmoadgens jvars, romelSic vertikaluri oTxi

horizontalur sams kveTs; amgvarad eqvsidan miiReba Svidi, Svidi principi, anu adamianis piTagoruli Svidi Tviseba. waikiTxeT SesaniSnavi axsna, romelsac batoni r. skineri iZleva `ganzomilebaTa sistemebis safuZvlebSi~. `ase meordeba dedamiwaze saidumlo, romelic, naTelmxilvelTa mowmobiT, RvTaebriv planzea damtkicebuli. umanko qalwulis Ze (anu aradiferencirebuli protili, materia mis usazRvreobaSi) kvlav ibadeba dedamiwaze rogorc miwieri evas, Cveni deda-miwis, Ze da xdeba kacobrioba mis erTobliobaSi – warsuliT, awmyoTi da momavliT, - radgan ieRova, anu Jod-He-Vau-He androginia, anu orsqesiania. maRla Ze kosmosis saxiT Cndeba; dabla igi kacobriobaa. triada, anu samkuTxedi, xdeba oTxkuTxedi, piTagoras idumali ricxvi, srulyofili kvadrati, da dedamiwaze – eqvswaxnagiani kubi. makroprosopusi (diadi saxe) axla xdeba mikroprosopusi (mcire saxe); an, rogorc kabalistebi amboben: dReebiT Zveli, romelic adam kadmonze (prototipuri adamiani; kacobrioba, ucodveli `zeciuri adamiani~) eSveba, da romelsac iyenebs rogorc matarebels gamJRavnebisTvis, tetragramatoni xdeba. igi axla `maias wiaRSia~, diad iluziaSi, da Tavis Tavsa da realobas Soris aqvs astraluri sinaTle, adamianis SezRudul grZnobaTa diadi macdunebeli, Tu, ra Tqma unda, masTan paramarThasatias meSveobiT dasaxmareblad codna ar mova~. Ee.i. logosi tetragramatoni xdeba; samkuTxedi an sami oTxad iqceva.

SekiTxva – sworia, rom astraluri sinaTle aq `maias~ mniSvnelobiT gamoiyeneba?

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda. Semdeg `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ axsnilia, rom planetaTa mwkrivs praqtikulad mxolod oTxi plani ganekuTvneba. sami umaRlesi plani aris absoluturi arupa (usxeulo, uformo) Cveni gagebis zRvrebs miRma.

SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es, rom gaoTxebuli da tetragramatoni sruliad sxvadasxva gagebebia?

pasuxi – gaoTxebuli, romliTac piTagorelebi ificebodnen, ar iyo tetragramatoni. igi, piriqiT, umaRlesi an uzenaesi gaoTxebuli iyo. `dabadebis~ pirvel TavebSi am qveda tetragramatonis

axsnis gasaRebi devs. Cven vityobT adamis, evasa da ieRovas Sesaxeb, romelic kaini xdeba. adamianTa modgmis Semdgom gagrZelebas abeli simbolizirebs, romelic umaRlesis adamianur koncefcias warmoadgens. abeli evas qaliSvilia, da ara vaJi, da igi sqesTa dayofas simbolizirebs; maSin roca abelis mkvleloba qorwinebas simbolizirebs. kidev ufro met adamianur koncefcias Seicavs meoTxe Tavis bolo nawili, romelSiac laparakia seiTis Sesaxeb, romelmac enosi Soba, ris Semdegac adamianebi, `RmerTis saxelis xmobis~ nacvlad, rogorc es `dabadebaSia~ Targmnili, iwodebodnen Jod-He-Vah, anu mamakacebad da qalebad. amrigad, tetragramatoni ubralod malkutia (samefo, meaTe sefira, romelic tetragramatonis, anu IHVH-is bolo he-s Seesabameba. dabali deda, mikroprosopusis sacole; agreTve `dedofali~); rodesac sasiZo dedamiwaze sapatarZlosTan modis, igi kacobrioba xdeba. yvela Svidi qveda sefiroti ganvlil unda iqnas, da tetragramatoni sul ufro da ufro materialuri xdeba. astraluri plani gaoTxebulsa da tetragramatons Soris devs.

SekiTxva – rogorc Cans, gaoTxebuli aq sruliad sxvadasxva mniSvnelobiT ixmareba.

pasuxi – piTagoras namdvili gaoTxebuli uxilavi manadis gaoTxebuli iyo, romelic qmnis pirvel wertils, meores, mesames da Semdeg wyvdiadSi da maradiul siCumeSi midis. sxva sityvebiT, gaoTxebuli aris pirveli logosi. materiis planze igi, sxva yvelafris garda, aris dabali kvarta, sxeulisgan, anu materiisgan, Semdgari adamiani.

sxdoma 6 (stansa 3 Sl. 1)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 14 Tebervals b-n u. kingslendis TavmjdomareobiT.

stansa 3 Sloka (1) meSvide maradisobis ukanaskneli TrTola usasrulobaSi kankalebs. deda ibereba, Signidan gareT vrceldeba, lotosis kvirtis msgavsad.

`paradoqsalurad Cvenebuli xmareba terminisa `Svidi maradisoba~, romelic aseTi saxiT ganuyofels yofs, ezoterikul filosofiaSi ganmtkicebulia. es filosofia usazRvro xangrZlivobas upirobo maradiul da samyaroebriv drod da pirobiT drod (qhandakalad) yofs. erTi abstraqciaa, anu usazRvro drois (kalas) numeni, meore – misi fenomeni, romelic periodulad vlindeba, rogorc mahatis (samyaroebrivi gonierebisa, romelic manvantaris xangrZlivobiT aris SemosazRvruli) Sedegi~. SekiTxva – Seesabameba Tu ara drois dasawyisi, rogorc xangrZlivobisgan gansxvavebuli movlena, gamJRavnebuli logosis gamoCenas? pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, es ufro adre ver moxdeboda. magram `meSvide TrTola~ exeba rogorc pirvel, aseve meore gamJRavnebul logoss, romelTa Soris pirveli droisa da sivrcis gareTaa, meore ki drois dawyebasTan erTad Cndeba. diferenciacia mxolod maSin iwyeba, rodesac `deda ibereba~, radgan rodesac pirveli logosi pirveladi da aradiferencirebuli materiis gamWol sxivebs uSvebs, qaosSi moqmedeba jer kidev ar aris. `meSvide maradisobis ukanaskneli TrTola~ pirveli iuwyeba ganTiadis Sesaxeb da pirvel, anu gaumJRavnebel, logoss Seesabameba. am stadiaze dro ar aris. rodesac yvelaferi iwyeba, arc droa da arc sivrce; magram rogorc ki diferenciacia iwyeba, yvelaferi drosa da sivrceSi iCens Tavs – pirveladi gamosxivebis dros, an maSin, rodesac meore logosi emanirdeba. es logosi `ded-mamis~ potencialobaa, magram rodesac mesame, anu gamJRavnebuli, logosi Cndeba, igi umanko deda xdeba. msoflios yvela TeogoniaSi `mama da Ze~ erTi arsia. maSasadame, es gamoxatva orive logoss Seesabameba, gaumJRavnebels da

gamJRavnebuls: erTs `meSvide maradisobis~ dasawyisSi, meores boloSi. SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba iTqvas, rom dro meore, anu gaumJRavnebel-gamJRavnebuli, logosis gamoCenis momentidan arsebobs? pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, ara. igi mesamis gamoCenis momentidan arsebobs. swored amaSi, rogorc me amwuTas daganaxeT, mdgomareobs maT ors Soris ZiriTadi gansxvaveba. `ukanaskneli TrTola~ droisa da sivrcis gareT iwyeba da mesame logosis gamoCenisas mTavrdeba, roca dro da sivrce dasawyiss iRebs, anu perioduli dro iwyeba. meore logosi yofs arss, anu bunebas, rogorc pirvelis, aseve ukanasknelis. pirveli logosis gamoCenisas diferenciacia jer ar aris; diferenciacia mxolod latentur samyaroebriv azrSi iwyeba meore logosis gamoCenisTanave; igi Tavis srul gamoxatvas mesame logosis gamoCenisas iRebs, anu xorcSesxmuli `sityva~ xdeba. SekiTxva – ra gansxvavebaa sityvebs Soris `gamosxiveba~ da `emanacia~, romlebic `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ ixmareba? pasuxi – me vTvli, rom isini sruliad sxvadasxva ideebs gamoxatavs da ukeTes analogTa arqonis gamo Sesabamisi gagebebisTvis gamoiyeneba; magram Tu maT Cveulebriv mniSvnelobebs mivcemT, maSin arsi damaxinjdeba. gamosxiveba aris, ase vTqvaT, Seugnebeli da spontanuri gamokrToma, raimes moqmedeba, rac am moqmedebas awarmoebs; xolo emanacia aris is, risganac ganuwyvetliv sul sxva raRac gamodis da emanacia Segnebulia. orTodoqsaluri okultisti ityvis, rom yvavilis sunic ki yvavilis mier `Segnebulad~ emanirdeba, ra absurdulic ar unda moeCvenos es profans. gamosxivebas absolutidan SeuZlia gamodiodes, emanacias ki ar SeuZlia. kidev erTi gansxvaveba imaSi mdgomareobs, rom gamosxiveba adre Tu gvian ukan brundeba, maSin roca emanacia sxva emanaciebSi gadadis, wyaros mTlianad gamoeyofa da diferencirdeba. ra Tqma unda, drois ciklis dasasruls emanaciac erTian absolutSi iqneba Sewovili, magram gamJRavnebis mTeli ciklis ganmavlobaSi emanacia grZeldeba. erTi emanirdeba meorisgan, da, faqtiurad, raRaca gagebiT emanacia evoluciis tolfasia, maSin roca gamosxiveba

warmomidgenia kosmosamdel periodSi wamier moqmedebad, romelic qaRaldis naWris cecxlis mokidebas hgavs anTebuli Wiqis qveS, da am moqmedebis Sesaxeb mzisTvis araferia cnobili. orive termini, ra Tqma unda, ukeTesis arqonis gamo ixmareba. SekiTxva – ra igulisxmeba prototipebSi, romlebic astralur sinaTleSi imyofeba? pasuxi - `astraluri sinaTle~ mocemul SemTxvevaSi gamoiyeneba rogorc moxerxebuli idioma Zalian cudad gagebadi terminisTvis – akaSas, anu pirveladi sinaTlis, are, romelic aRqmisa da ideaTa Seqmnis RvTaebrivi unaris saSualebiT vlindeba. akaSa mocemul SemTxvevaSi miRebul unda iqnas rogorc saerTo termini samyaroebrivi da RvTaebrivi gonierebis aRniSvnisaTvis. es goniereba sivrcis, anu qaosis, wylebSia areklili, rac, sakuTriv, astraluri sinaTlea, anu sarkea, romelic umaRles plans ukusinaTliT ireklavs. absolutur, anu RvTaebriv, azrSi arsebobs yvelaferi, da ar iyo dro, roca es yvelaferi masSi ar arsebobda; magram aRqmisa da ideaTa Seqmnis RvTaebrivi unari samyaroebrivi manvantarebiTaa SemosazRvruli. akaSas are noumenaluri da abstraqtuli sivrcea, romelic Cid-akaSamiT, pirveladi cnobierebis areTi iqneba dakavebuli. magram okultur filosofiaSi am ares Svidi done aqvs – faqtiurad `Svidi are~. pirvelia latenturi cnobierebis are, romelic drois mixedviT pirvel da meore gaumJRavnebel logosebs emTxveva. es aris `sinaTle, romelic wyvdiadSi anaTebs, da wyvdiadma ar moicva igi~, razedac ioanes saxarebaSia naTqvami. rodesac mesame logosis gamoCenisTvis Jami dadga, maSin latenturi potencialobidan diferencirebuli cnobierebis ufro dabali are gamosxivdeba; es are aris mahati, anu grZnobieri sicocxlis dhian-koganebis mTeli erToblioba, romlebic fohatis mier obieqtur planzea warmodgenili, da manasa-putras mier – subieqtur planze. astraluri sinaTle aris is, rac cnobierebis sam umaRles plans sarkiseburad ireklavs, da is, rac dabali, anu miwieri, planis Tavzea; Sesabamisad, igi meoTxe planis zRvrebidan ar gamodis, sadac, SeiZleba iTqvas, akaSa iwyeba. astralur sinaTlesa da akaSas Soris didi gansxvavebaa, ris Sesaxebac ar unda gvaviwydebodes. ukanaskneli maradiulia, pirveli periodulia. astraluri sinaTle ara marto manvantarebis monacvleobisas icvleba, aramed agreTve yoveli qveperiodis da planetebis ciklis, anu wris drosac.

SekiTxva – arsebobs Tu ara aseT SemTxvevaSi prototipebi ufro maRal planze, vidre astraluri sinaTlis plania? pasuxi – prototipebi, anu saganTa da movlenaTa ideebi, dasawyisSi RvTaebrivi maradiuli cnobierebis planze arsebobs da iqidan sarkiseburad airekleba astralur sinaTleSi, romelic Tavis dabal individualur planze aseve Cveni deamiwis cxovrebas aireklavs, da am cxovrebas Tavis `firfitebze~ Cawers. amitom astralur sinaTles iluzias uwodeben. swored iqidan viRebT, Cvenis mxriv, Cvens prototipebs. Sesabamisad, Tu naTelmxilveli, anu winaswarmWvreteli, iluziis am planidan ver SeZlebs gamosvlas, maSin igi WeSmaritebas verasodes dainaxavs da Tavis motyuebisa da halucinaciebis okeaneSi CaiZireba. SekiTxva – ra aris skuTriv akaSa? pasuxi – akaSa maradiuli RvTaebrivi cnobierebaa, romelsac ar SeuZlia diferencireba ganicados, hqondes Tvisebebi an aqtiuroba gamoavlinos. aqtiuroba damaxasiaTebelia imisTvis, rac akaSadan sarkiseburad airekleba. upirobos da usasrulos ar SeuZlia kavSiri hqondes pirobiTTan da sasrulTan. astraluri sinaTle gnostikebis Sualeduri samoTxea, romelSic imyofeba sofia axamoti (meore, dabali sofias saxeli. bunebaSi SemoqmedebiTi mamakacuri Zalis qaluri aspeqtis personifikacia; aseve astraluri sinaTle), Svidi mSeneblis, anu dedamiwis sulTa, deda; dedamiwis sulebi ar arian aucileblad keTilebi, da maTs ricxvs gnostikebi ieRovas miawerdnen, romelsac isini ildabaobs uwodebdnen (sofia axamoti RvTaebriv sofiasTan ar unda gvereodes). Cven SegviZlia akaSa da astraluri sinaTle am prototipebis analogiiT SevadaroT. anda aviRoT Canasaxi rkoSi. rko Tavis TavSi ara marto momavali muxis astralur formas Seicavs, aramed faravs Canasaxs, romlidanac xe gaizrdeba, da es xe milionobiT formebs itevs. es formebi potenciurad rkoSi imyofeba, magram yoveli konkretuli rkos ganviTareba damokidebulia gareSe pirobebze, fizikur Zalaze da a.S. SekiTxva – magram rogor unda avxsnaT mcenareuli samefos usasrulo mravalferovneba? pasuxi – mcenareTa mravalricxovani mravalsaxeoba erTi sxivis daSlili sxivebia. imisda mixedviT, Tu sxivi Svid plans rogor gadis,

igi yovel planze aTasobiT da milionobiT sxivad iyofa formaTa samyaromde, da yoveli sxivi Tavis planze gonierebas ayalibebs. amrigad, Cven vxedavT, rom yovel mcenares aqvs goneba an, ase vTqvaT, cxovrebis Tavisi sakuTari mizani, da ramdenadme, Tavisi sakuTari Tavisufali neba. yovel SemTxvevaSi, me ase mesmis. mcenare SeiZleba iyos SemTvisebeli an araSemTvisebeli, Tumca uklebliv Yyoveli mcenare Tavis sakuTar cnobierebas grZnobs da flobs. magram, garda cnobierebisa, yovel mcenares – uzarmazari xidan erT cicqna gvimramde da balaxamde – aqvs, rogorc okultizmi gvaswavlis, elementaluri arsi, romlis gare samoselsac igi warmoadgens am planze. amitomac laparakoben yovelTvis kabalistebi da Sua saukuneebis rozenkreicerebi elementalebis Sesaxeb. rogorc isini amtkiceben, yvelaferSi elementaluri suli imyofeba. SekiTxva – riT gansxvavdeba elementali dhian-koganisgan an dhiani-budasgan? pasuxi – maT Soris didi gansxvavebaa. elementalebi ganekuTvnebian dedamiwis mxolod oTx stiqias da mxolod bunebis or dabal samefos – mineralurs da mcenareuls, - romlebSiac isini, ase vTqvaT, metalizirdebian da gamwvandebian. maT mimarT SeiZleba vixmaroT indusuri termini deva, magram ara dhian-kogani. am ukanasknels erTgvari kosmosuri goniereba aqvs, pirvelebs ki zemgrZnobiare inteleqti aqvT, amasTan, TiToeuli maTgani mxolod misTvis aris damaxasiaTebeli. rac Seexeba dhiani-budebs, isini ganekuTvnebian umaRles RvTaebriv (anu yovlismcodne) gonier arsebebs, romlebsac yvelaze ufro ukeTesad albaT romis kaTolikuri eklesiis mTavarangelozebi Seesatyvisebian. SekiTxva – xorcieldeba Tu ara tipebis evolucia astraluri sinaTlis sxvadasxva planze? pasuxi – SedarebisTvis daukvirdiT rkos evolucias. rkodan muxa izrdeba, da da am muxas, rogorc xes, SeiZleba aTasobiT forma hqondes, romlebic erTmaneTisgan gansxvavebulia. yvela es forma rkos SigniT imyofeba, da, Tumca is forma, romelsac xe miiRebs, gareSe pirobebzea damokidebuli, magram, is, rasac aristotelem `materiis ararseboba~ (privation of matter) daarqva,

astralur talRebSi arsebobs. magram muxis noumenaluri Canasaxi astraluri sinaTlis planis zRvrebs gareT arsebobs; is, rac astralur sinaTleSi ukve arsebobs, mxolod da mxolod misi subieqturi saxea, da muxis ganviTareba mkafio prototipis Sedegia astralur sinaTleSi. es ganviTareba maRalidan dabali planebisken sruldeba manamde, sanam sul dabal planze saboloo damkvriveba da formis Camoyalibeba ar moxdeba. swored amiT aixsneba vedantistebis cnobismoyvruli mtkiceba, rom yovel mcenares Tavisi karma gaaCnia da rom misi zrda karmis Sedegia. es karma dabal dhian-koganebidan modis, romlebic xis zrdas isaxaven da gegmaven. SekiTxva – ra aris sityva `manvantaras~ an, ufro sworad, `manu-antaras~ namdvili mniSvneloba? pasuxi – sinamdvileSi igi niSnavs `or manus Soris~ Sualeds, romelTa ricxvic `brahmas dReSi~ Seadgens ToTxmets, amasTan `dRe~ Sedgeba oTxi saukunis 1000 erTobliobisgan, anu 1000 diadi saukunisagan – maha-iugebisgan. sityva `manus~ rom aanalizeben, orientalistebi Tvlian, rom igi Seqmnilia fuZedan man - `fiqri~ da, Sesabamisad, niSnavs `moazrovne adamians~. magram ezoterikulad yoveli manu, rogorc Tavisi gansakuTrebuli ciklis, anu wris, antropomorfuli mfarveli, aris RvTaebrivi azris personificirebuli idea (rogorc hermetistebis pimanderi). Sesabamisad, yoveli manu gansakuTrebuli RmerTia, yovelive imis Semqmneli da moqandake, rac yofierebis, anu manvantaris, misi sakuTari ciklis dros Cndeba. SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara manu aseve adamianuri cnobierebis personificirebul erTeuls Tu mxolod RvTaebrivi azris individualizacias manvantaris miznebisaTvis? pasuxi – erTsac da meoresac, radgan adamianuri cnobiereba mxolod da mxolod RvTaebrivis sxivia. Cveni manasi, anu ego, mahatidan gamodis da (xatovnad rom vTqvaT) mahatis Zes warmoadgens. manu vaivasvata (Cveni mexuTe rasis da mTlianad kacobriobis manu) mexuTe ZiriTadi rasis moazrovne kacobriobis personificirebuli warmomadgenelia, da, Sesabamisad, igi warmodgenilia rogorc mzis ufrosi vaJi da agniSvatebis (pitrebis – adamianTa pirveli eTeruli rasis SemqmnelTa – klasi. Cveni mziuri

winaprebi) pirvelmSobeli. vinaidan `manu~ warmoebulia man-idan - `fiqri~, amitom idea naTelia. azri adamianis tvinze mis zemoqmedebaSi usasruloa. amitom manu warmoadgens da Seicavs yvela moazrovne formis potencialobas, romlebic (formebi) swored am wyarodan ganviTardebian dedamiwaze. egzoterikul swavlebaSi igi am dedamiwis dasawyiss warmoadgens, da misgan da mis qaliSvil ilasgan kacobrioba ibadeba; igi warmoadgens erTobliobas, romelic mTel simravles da mravalferovnebas Seicavs. amrigad, yovel manvantaras Tavisi sakuTari manu gaaCnia, da am manudan warmoiSvebian sxvadasxva manuebi, ufro sworad, kalpebis manasebi. analogiisTvis igi SeiZleba TeTr sinaTles SevadaroT, romelic yvela danarCen sxivs Seicavs da romelic maT warmoSobs, rodesac diferenciaciisa da evoluciis prizmaSi gadis. magram es ukve ezoterikasa da metafizikas exeba. SekiTxva – SeiZleba iTqvas, rom manu iseTive damokidebulebaSia yovel manvantarasTan, rogorc pirveli logosia maha-manvantarasTan? pasuxi – Tu gnebavT, asec SeiZleba iTqvas. SekiTxva – SeiZleba iTqvas, rom manu individualobaa? pasuxi -Aabstraqtuli gagebiT, ra Tqma unda, ara, magram analogiis gatareba SeiZleba. manu albaT ufro manasebis sinTezia, da erTian cnobierebas warmoadgens im gagebiT, rom yvela ujredi, romlebisganac adamianis sxeuli Sedgeba, gansxvavebulia da yovel maTgans gansxvavebuli cnobiereba gaaCnia; da mainc arsebobs adamianis erTiani cnobiereba. magram msgavsi erTianoba calke cnobiereba ar aris: igi warmoadgens aTasobiT da milionobiT cnobierebaTa anarekls, romlebic adamianma Seiwova. manu, sinamdvileSi, individualoba ar aris, igi mTel kacobriobas warmoadgens. SeiZleba iTqvas, rom manu pitrebis, kacobriobis pirvelmSoblebis saerTo saxelia. isini, rogorc me ukve avxseni, mTvaris rigidan modian. isini kacobriobas badeben, radgan, xdebian Tu ara pirveli adamianebi, sxvebs badeben, maTs landebs, anu maTs astralur `me~-s, aviTareben. isini mxolod kacobriobas ki ar warmoSoben, aramed cxovelebsa da yvela danarCen qmnilebebsac. am Temaze did iogTa puranebSi

naTqvamia, rom erT-erTma maTganma warmoSva gvelebi, meorem – frinvelebi da a.S. magram iseve, rogorc mTvare sinaTles mzisgan iRebs, aseve mTvaris pitrebis STamomavlebi Tavis umaRles mentalur sinaTles mzisgan, anu `mzis Zisgan~, iReben. vin icis, SeiZleba manu vaivasvata avatari, anu personificirebuli mahatia, romelic samyaroebrivi gonierebis mieraa uflebamosili moazrovne kacobrioba win mihyavdes da mimarTavdes mas. SekiTxva – Cven viciT, rom erTi wris srulyofilad qceuli kacobrioba dhiani-budebi, anu Semdegi manvantaris xelmZRvaneli mmarTvelebi, xdeba. ra damokidebuleba aqvs maSin manus dhiani-budebis simravlesTan? pasuxi – egzoterikul swavlebaSi – araviTari. me ki SemiZlia vTqva, rom dhiani-budebi aranairad arian dakavSirebuli dabal praqtikul samuSaosTan dedamiwis planze. sailustraciod dhiani-buda SeiZleba SevadaroT cxovrebis nebismieri sferos did mmarTvels. warmovidginoT, rom es aris ubralod saojaxo cxovreba: didi mmarTveli mzareulis WuWyian SromasTan uSualo SexebaSi ar aris. umaRlesi dhianebi sul ufro damkvrivebul da ufro materialur dhianebs aviTareben – am planetarul rigamdec ki. amasTan, ukanaskneli dhianebi warmoadgenen manus, pitris, anu mTvaris winaprebs. rogorc `saidumlo doqtrinis~ meore tomSi ganvmartav, am pitrebis amocana kacobriobis warmoSobaa. isini amas Tavis CrdilTa mofeniT akeTeben, da pirveli adamianebi (Tu, ra Tqma unda, maT adamianebi SeiZleba ewodos) mTvaris winaparTa astraluri bunebis Chaiebi (Chaia - `Crdili~ an `moCveneba~. adamianis astraluri saxe) arian, romlebisTvisac fizikuri buneba fizikur sxeulebs qmnis, dasawyisSi uformoebs. meore rasis adamianebi sul ufro da ufro formirebul sxeulebs iZenen, magram isini jer kidev usqesoni arian. mesame rasaSi isini orsqesiani hermofroditebi xdebian, sanam, bolos da bolos, sqesebi ar gaiyofa, da kacobrioba sxva gziT ar daiwyebs gamravlebas. SekiTxva – maSin ras gulisxmobT terminSi `manvantara~, anu `manu-antara~, rac, Tqveni ganmartebis Tanaxmad, niSnavs `or manus Soris~?

pasuxi – es termini ubralod aqtiurobis periods niSnavs da araviTar SemosazRvrul da garkveul gagebaSi ar gamoiyeneba. rodesac wignis teqsts swavlobT, Tqven unda sityva `manvantaras~ mniSvneloba konteqstis mixedviT gaigoT. magram ar dagaviwydeT: is raRac, rac mcire periodebis mimarT gamoiyeneba, gamoyenebadia didi periodebis mimarTac, da piriqiT. SekiTxva – ixmareba Tu ara mocemul SemTxvevaSi sityva `wyali~ sufTa simbolurad, Tu es gageba rogorRac elementebis evolucias Seesabameba? pasuxi – aq sifrTxilea saWiro, rom universaluri elementebi miwierebTan ar agverios. miwieri elementebic xom ar Seesabameba imas, rac cnobilia rigorc qimiuri elementebi. kosmosur universalur elementebs me davarqmevdi miwieri elementebis noumenebs da davamatebdi, rom kosmosuri Cveni patara mzis sistemiT ar aris SemosazRvruli. wyali pirveli kosmosuri elementia, da termini `wyvdiadi~ da `qaosi~ swored imave elementis aRsaniSnavad ixmareba. arsebobs materiis Svidi mdgomareoba; maT Soris sami sayovelTaod cnobilia: myari, Txevadi da gaziseburi. yvelaferi kosmosuri da miwieri unda ganvixiloT rogorc am Svidi mdgomareobis variaciebi. magram me warmoudgeneli mgonia im terminebis xmareba, romlebic Tqven ar iciT da, Sesabamisad, ar SegiZliaT gaigoT. amitom `wyali~, filosofosTa `cxeli da nedli principi~, imis aRsaniSnavad ixmareba, rac jer ar aris myari materia, anu, ufro sworad, imis aRsaniSnavad, rasac jer materiis simyare ar gaaCnia, rogoric Cven igi gvesmis. xmareba terminisa `wyali~, rogorc momdevno elementisa rigSi eTeri-cecxli-haeri, ufro metad aZnelebs gagebas. magram eTeri yvela sxva elementsa da maTs Tvisebebs Seicavs, da es swored is eTeria, romelic fizikuri mecnierebis hipoTezur gamtars warmoadgens; ufro metic, igi akaSas, erTiani gamtarisa da universaluri elementis, dabali formaa. amrigad, `wyali~ aq materiis aRsaniSnavad ixmareba mis dekosmosur mdgomareobaSi. SekiTxva – ra kavSiri aqvs elementebs elementalebTan?

pasuxi – iseTive, rogoric miwas adamianTan. radgan fizikuri adamiani dedamiwis kvintensenciaa, amitom haeris, cecxlisa da wylis elementalebi (silfebi, salamandrebi, undinebi da a.S.) Sesabamisi elementis kvintensencias Seicaven. substanciisa da materiis yoveli diferenciacia erTgvar gonier Zalas warmoSobs. swored am Zalebs daarqves rozenkreicerebma elementaluri, anu bunebrivi, sulebi. yovel Cvengans SeuZlia daijeros elementalebi, romelTa Seqmnac CvenTvisve SegviZlia. magram qmnili elementalebis es ukanaskneli klasi Cveni sakuTari warmodgenis gareT ar arsebobs. msgavsi elementali aRmoCndeba gonieri arseba, Zala, keTili an boroti, magram misi forma da atributebi Cveni sakuTari warmonaSobebi xdeba, misi goniereba ki aseve Cvenidan iqneba nasesxebi. SekiTxva – sworia Tu ara, rom `umanko kvercxi~ igivea, rac `maradiuli kvercxi~, Tu isini diferenciaciis sxvadasxva stadiazea? pasuxi – maradiuli kvercxi imyofeba laias mdgomareobaSi, anu nulovan wertilSi, romelic diferenciacias win uZRvis. amitom diferenciaciis dawyebamde mas ar SeuZlia hqondes arc atributebi, arc Tvisebebi. `umanko kvercxs~ ukve gaaCnia Tviseba da, Sesabamisad, diferencirebulia, Tumca arsiT igivea. arc erT sagans ar SeuZlia gancalkevdes meorisgan mis abstraqtul arsul bunebaSi. magram iluziis samyaroSi, formebis samyaroSi, diferenciaciis samyaroSi, yvelaferi, Cveni CaTvliT, aseTi calkeuli moCans.

sxdoma 7 (stansa 3 Sl. 2-4)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 21 Tebervals b-n u. kingslendis TavmjdomareobiT. stansa 3 (gagrZeleba) Sloka 2

TrTola vrceldeba, Tavisi swrafi frTiT (erTdroulad) mTel samyaros da Canasaxs exeba da imyofeba wyvdiadSi, romelic sicocxlis mTvlemare wylebze sunTqavs.

SekiTxva – rogor unda gavigoT gamoTqma, rom TrTola mTel samyaros da aseve Canasaxs exeba?

pasuxi – upirveles yovlisa, gansazRvrebebs, romlebsac yvela gamoyenebul termins vaZlevT, yvelaze ufro saerTo xasiaTi unda hqondes enis gansakuTrebuli xatovnebis gamo. samyaro kosmoss, anu formaTa samyaros, ki ar niSnavs, aramed uformo sivrces, momaval gamtars samyarosi, romelic unda gamJRavndes. es sivrce sinonimuria `sivrcis wylebisa~, agreTve (CvenTvis) maradiuli wyvdiadisa da, faqtiurad, parabrahmanisa. mokled rom vTqvaT, mTeli Sloka exeba `periods~, romelic romelime gamJRavnebas win uZRvis. zustad aseve Canasaxic (Canasaxi maradiulia da momavali materiis aradiferencirebul atomebs warmoadgens) erTiania sivrcesTan; igi aseve usazRvro da mouSlelia da iseve maradiulia, rogorc TviT sivrce. igive exeba `TrTolasac~, romelic wertils, anu gaumJRavnebel logoss, Seesabameba. erTi mniSvnelovani ganmarteba unda davamatoT. xatovnad rom vTqvaT, rogorc es `saidumlo doqtrinaSi~ keTdeba, xSirad analogiebsa da Sedarebebs vxmarobT. magaliTad, wyvdiadi, rogorc wesi, niSnavs mxolod Seucnob sayovelTao erTianobas, anu absoluturobas. maradiul wyvdiads dapirispirebuli pirveli logosi, ra Tqma unda, sinaTlea; meore da mesame logosebs dapirispirebuli pirveli logosi ki wyvdiadia, maSin, roca ukanasknelni sinaTlea.

Sloka (3) wyvdiadi sinaTles asxivebs, da sinaTle martoxela sxivs agdebs wylebSi, dedis wiaRis siRrmeSi. sxivi umanko kvercxs gamsWvalavs, sxivi maradiul kvercxSi TrTolas aRviZebs da nergavs Canasaxs, ara-maradiuls (perioduls), romelic samyaros kvercxSi sqeldeba.

SekiTxva – ratom amboben, rom sinaTle martoxela sxivs agdebs wylebSi, da es sxivi samkuTxeds ratom Seefardeba?

pasuxi – ramdeni sxivic ar unda gaCndes am planze, pirvelwyarosTan dabrunebis Semdeg isini bolos erTSi erwymeba, prizmis Svidi feris msgavsad, romlebadac TeTri sxivi iSleba da romlebic masSi iyris Tavs. amave saxiT es martoxela sxivi Svid sxivad (da maTs uricxv qvesxivebad) mxolod iluziis planze iSleba. mas samkuTxeds ufardeben imitom, rom samkuTxedi pirveli srulyofili geometriuli figuraa. rogorc piTagora amtkicebda, da stansaSic igivea naTqvami, rodesac sxivi (piTagoras monada), rogorc vardnili varskvlavi, eSveba iqidan, sadac `ar aris adgili~ (aloka), arayofierebis planebs gamsWvalavs yofierebis pirvel samyaromde da ricxv erTs warmoSobs; amis Semdeg marjvniv ganStovdeba da ricxv ors warmoSobs; igi kvlav brundeba, rom fuZe Seqmnas da ricxv sams ayalibebs; iqidan igi kvlav ricxv erTTan adis da, rogorc piTagora xsnis, arayofierebis sferoebSi qreba.

SekiTxva –piTagoras swavlebas Zvel indusur filosofiur naSromebSi ratom vpoulobT?

pasuxi – piTagoram codna indoeTSi miiRo, da Zvel wignebSi igi xsenebulia rogorc vavanaCaria, anu berZeni maswavlebeli. amgvarad, Cven vxedavT, rom samkuTxedi pirveli diferenciaciis Sedegad Cndeba, Tumca misi yvela gverdi erTi sxiviT aRiwereba.

SekiTxva – sinamdvileSi ra igulisxmeba sityvaSi `arayofierebis planebi~?

pasuxi – rodesac sityvaTSewyobas `arayofierebis planebi~ vxmarobT, aucilebelia gvaxsovdes, rom es planebi arayofierebis sferoebs mxolod CvenTvis warmoadgens, Cvenze maRla myofi gonieri arsebebisTvis es yofierebisa da materiis planebia. mzis sistemis umaRles dhian-koganebs SeiZleba warmodgena ar hqondeT imis Sesaxeb, Tu ra arsebobs ufro maRal sistemebSi, anu meore SvidobiT kosmosur planze, romelic marad uxilavi samyaros arsebebisTvis absoluturad subieqtiuria.

Sloka (4) (Semdeg) samni (samkuTxedi) oTxSi (gaoTxebuli) vardebian. sxivmzidi arsi Svidmagdeba, Svidi SigniT, Svidi gareT. mbrwyinavi kvercxi (hirania-garbha), Tavis TavSi samobiTi (brahmas an viSnus sami ipostasi, sami avasta) aiWreba da rZisferi- TeTri SenadedebiT vrceldeba dedis siRrmeebSi, fesvSi, romelic sicocxlis okeanis wiaRSi izrdeba.

SekiTxva – identuria Tu ara sxivmzidi arsi mbrwyinavi kvercxisa? da ra aris fesvi, romelic sicocxlis okeanis wiaRSi izrdeba?

pasuxi – sxivmzidi arsi identuria mbrwyinavi kvercxisa, anu brahmas oqros kvercxisa, anu, rogorc mas kidev ewodeba, hirania-garbhasi. fesvi, romelic sicocxlis okeanis wiaRSi izrdeba, potencialobaa. igi universalur, subieqtur, yvelgan msufev, magram erTsaxovan Canasaxs, anu maradiul arss, obieqtur diferencirebul materiad gardasaxavs. Ees arsi abstraqtuli bunebis Zalas Seicavs. vedanturi filosofiis Tanaxmad, sicocxlis okeane, Tu ar vcdebi, niSnavs `erTian sicocxles~ da aRiniSneba terminiT `paramatmani~, rac niSnavs `transcendentalur umaRles suls~, maSin roca jiv-atma, rodesac vlaparakobT fizikur da cxovelur `sicocxlis sunTqvaze~ an, ase vTqvaT, diferencirebul sulze, ubralod im sicocxles niSnavs, romelic atomisa da samyaros, molekulisa da adamianis, cxovelis, mcenarisa da mineralis arsebobas icavs. `sxivmzidi arsi aiWra da sivrcis siRrmeebSi gavrcelda~. astronomiis TvalsazrisiT es advilad aixsneba: es aris irmis naxtomi, samyaros nivTiereba, anu pirveladi materia mis pirvel formaSi.

SekiTxva – SeuZlia Tu ara sxivmzid arss, irmis naxtoms an samyaros nivTierebas atomebad daiSalos, Tu igi ara atomarulia?

pasuxi – Tavis kosmosamdel mdgomareobaSi igi, ra Tqma unda, araatomarulia, Tu atomebSi molekulebs vigulisxmebT,

radgan hipoTezurad atomi (ubralo maTematikuri wertili) aramaterialuria da arc materias ganekuTvneba, arc substanciasac ki. materialur planze realuri atomi ar arsebobs. gansazRvra wertilisa, romelsac raRaca mdgomareoba gaaCnia, okultizmSi adgilmdebareobis ubralo gagebiT ar unda ganixilebodes, radgan realuri atomi droisa da sivrcis gareT imyofeba. sityva `molekuluri~ sinamdvileSi mxolod Cveni globusis da am planis mimarTebaSi SeiZleba gamoyenebul iqnas: am planis sazRvrebSi, Cveni planeturi rigis sxva globusebzec ki, materia sruliad sxva, molekulur mdgomareobaSi imyofeba. atomi mis maradiul mdgomareobaSi mTavarangelozis TvalisTvisac ki uxilavia; am ukanasknelisaTvis igi mxolod periodulad, sicocxlis ciklis dros, aris xiluli. xolo nawilaki, anu molekula, isic mxolod periodulad arsebobs, da amitom iluziad iTvleba. samyaros nivTiereba sxvadasxva planis meSveobiT viTardeba, da ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom igi varskvlavebad iSleba an molekuluri xdeba im dromde, sanam igi xiluli, anu obieqturi samyaros yofierebis plans ar aRwevs.

SekiTxva – materialurad iTvleba Tu ara eTeri okultizmSi?

pasuxi – es sruliad imazea damokidebuli, Tu am terminSi ra igulisxmeba. Tavis dabal doneze, sadac astralur sinaTles erwymis, mas SeiZleba molekuluri vuwodoT misi sakuTari planisTvis, magram ara CvenTvis. ai eTeri ki, romlis arsebobasac mecniereba varaudobs, akaSas yvelaze ufro mkvriv gamJRavnebas warmoadgens, Tumca Cvens planze, CvenTvis, mokvdavTaTvis, es astraluri sinaTlis meSvide principia, da igi sami safexuriT ufro maRlaa, vidre `sxivuri materia~. roca rames gamsWvalavs an Seavsebs, igi SeiZleba molekuluri iyos, radgan Sesabamis formas iRebs da misi atomebi am raimes nawilakebs avsebs. materias SeiZleba `kristalizebuli eTeri~ davarqvaT.

SekiTxva – faqtiurad atomi ras warmoadgens?

pasuxi – atomi SeiZleba sxeulis an, ufro sworad, molekulis (okultisTvis ki atomi swored amas warmoadgens) meSvide princips SevadaroT. fizikuri an qimiuri molekula Sedgeba mcire molekulebis uamravi raodenobisagan, romlebic, Tavis mxriv,

uamravi raodenobis kidev ufro mcire molekulebisagan Sedgeba. magaliTisTvis aviRoT rkinis molekula da davyoT ise, rom aramolekuluri gaxdes. igi Tavisi Svidi principidan maSinve erT-erTad transformirdeba, kerZod ki astralur sxeulad; meSvide princips atomi warmoadgens. SeiZleba paraleli gavavloT dayofamde rkinis molekulasa da igive molekulas Soris dayofis Semdeg fizikur sxeulTan sikvdilamde da sikvdilis Semdeg: Ees igive principebia minus fizikuri sxeuli. ra Tqma unda, es okulturi alqimiaa da ara Tanamedrove qimia.

SekiTxva – ra mniSvnelobebi aqvs indusur alegoriul gamoxatvebs `okeanis dRveba~ da `siuxvis Zroxa~, da rogoria maT da `zecaSi oms~ Soris Tanafardoba?

pasuxi – naklebsavaraudoa ramdenime sityviT an tomebSic ki im procesis aRwera, romelic `arayofierebis~ mdgomareobiT iwyeba da maha-pralaiasEdasrulebiT mTavrdeba. esEaris mxolod da mxolod alegoriuli saxeebi uxilavi da Seucnobeli pirvelqmnili gonieri arsebebisa, okulturi mecnierebis atomebisa (TviT brahmas hqvia anu an atomi). es arsebebi pirveladi sxivmzidi arsis usazRvro okeanis formirebasa da diferencirebas axdenen. `okeanis dRvebasa~ da `zecaSi oms~ Soris damokidebuleba da Sesabamisoba Zalian rTuli asaxsnelia da amas didi dro sWirdeba. Tavis dabal simbolur aspeqtSi es `omi zecaSi~ mudam grZeldeba. diferenciacia kontrastia, dapirispirebaTa SeTanasworebaa, da, sanam es arsebobs, `omi~, anu brZola, gagrZeldeba. ra Tqma unda, am omis sxvadasxva stadia da aspeqti arsebobs, rogorc magaliTad, astronomiuli da fizikuri. yvelaferi, rac manvantaris dros aris dabadebuli, `zeciur omSi~, aseve dedamiwaze, monawileobs. amaSi monawileobas iRebs yvela ToTxmeti ZiriTadi da daqvemdebarebuli manu, romlebic manvantaris Cvens cikls akontroleben, da yvela uTvalavi Zala, adamianuri Tu sxva, romlebic am Zalebisgan warmoiSobian. mudmivi brZola da koreqtireba midis, radgan yvelaferi harmoniisa da wonasworobisken iswrafis, romlebic sinamdvileSi raime formis SeZenamde unda iyos miRweuli. Cveni Semadgeneli elementebi, Cveni sxeulis nawilakebi, ganuwyvetliv omis mdgomareobaSi imyofebian: erTni meoreebs gandevnian, TviTon ki yovel wuTs cvlilebas ganicdian. RmerTebis mier `okeanis dRvebis~ dros

nagebi (nagi – pird. `gveli~. gvelTa, agreTve patalis (jojoxeTis), sulebis dasaxeleba) movidnen da maT Soris zogierTebma amrita – ukvdavebis wyali – moipares, da ase daiwyo omi RmerTebsa da asurebs (demonebs) Soris, da RmerTebma damarcxeba ganicades. es samyaros Seqmnas da pirveladi pirvelqmnili materiis diferenciacias exeba. magram nu gaviwydebaT, rom es aris mxolod da mxolod kosmogoniuri aspeqti – Svidi mniSvnelobidan erT-erTi. `omi zecaSi~ kacobriobis inteleqtualuri principis evoluciasTanac aris uSualod dakavSirebuli. da es metafizikuri gasaRebia.

SekiTxva – ase xSirad ratom gamoiyeneba stancebSi ricxvebi, da raSia namdvili saidumlo msoflios saRvTo werilebSi maTi ase Tavisufali xmarebisa: bibliaSi, puranebSi, piTagorasa da arieli brZenebis mier?

pasuxi – balzaki, franguli literaturis okultisti (ris Sesaxebac TviTonac ar uwyoda), sadRac wers, rom ricxvi gonebisTvis, iseve, rogorc materiisTvis, `miuwvdomel~ Suamavals warmoadgens. me ki vityodi, rom profanisTvis, albaT, ki, magram ara gandobilis gonebisTvis. ricxvi, rogorc didi mwerali varaudobda, aris arsi da amave dros sunTqva, romelic gamodis imisgan, visac igi RmerTs uwodebda, Cven ki vuwodebT yvelafers. mxolod am sunTqvas SeeZlo fizikuri kosmosis organizeba, `sadac formas sxvagvarad araferi iZens, mxolod RvTaebidan, romelic ricxvis Sedegia~. rogorc platonma Tqva: `RmerTi aris geometri~.

SekiTxva – ra SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba ricxvebs arsi ewodos?

pasuxi – rodesac maTSi gonieri arsebebi igulisxmeba. xolo roca ubralod, rogorc cifrebs ganixilaven, isini, ra Tqma unda, arsebi ki ara, simboluri niSnebia.

SekiTxva – ratom iTqmeba, rom sxivmzidi arsi Svidmagdeba, Svidi SigniT, Svidi gareT?

pasuxi – imitom rom mas aqvs Svidi principi gamJRavnebulis planze da Svidi aragamJRavnebulis planze. mudam analogiis

gamoyenebiT moaxdineT argumentireba da gamoiyeneT aqsioma `rogorc maRla, iseve dabla~.

SekiTxva – magram nuTu `arayofierebis~ planebic SvidobiTia?

pasuxi – yovelgvari eWvis gareSe. is, razedac `saidumlo doqtrina~ laparakobs rogorc aragamJRavnebul planebze, arayofierebis aragamJRavnebul planebs warmoadgens mxolod saboloo inteleqtis TvalsazrisiT; umaRles gonier arsTaTvis es gamJRavnebuli planebia. da ase Semdeg usasrulobamde analogiis mixedviT, romelic mudam gamoyenebadia.

sxdoma 8 (stansa 3 Sl. 5-8)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 28 Tebervals b-n u. kingslendis TavmjdomareobiT.

stansa 3 (gagrZeleba) Sloka (5) fesvi rCeba, sinaTle rCeba, Senadedebi rCeba, da mainc OEAOHOO (samyaroebrivi sibrZne) erTiania.

SekiTxva – ras niSnavs is, rom es yvelaferi rCeba?

pasuxi – es ubralod niSnavs, rom, gamJRavnebis simravlis miuxedavad, yvelaferi erTianobaSi imyofeba. sxva sityvebiT, es aris erTi elementis sxvadasxva aspeqti; es ar niSnavs, rom isini diferenciacias ar eqvemdebareba. `Senadedi~ aris pirveladi diferenciacia da, albaT, im kosmosur materias ganekuTvneba, romelic irmis naxtomis dasawyisad ivaraudeba da romelic cnobilia

CvenTvis. es `materia~, pirvelsawyis dhiani-budebisgan miRebul gamocxadebaTa Tanaxmad, samyaros perioduli Zilis ganmavlobaSi iseT ultimatumur gauxSoebulobaSi imyofeba, rom mxolod srulyofili boThisatvis TvalisTvis aris misawvdomi. es materia, sxivmzidi da gacivebuli, kosmosuri moZraobis pirveli gamoRviZebis dros sivrceSi ifanteba. da Tu dedamiwidan SevxedavT, igi Senadedebad da koStebad warmogvidgeba, rZis aWris msgavsad. swored es aris momaval samyaroTa Tesli - `varskvlavuri nivTiereba~.

SekiTxva – unda gvesmodes Tu ara ise, rom irmis naxtomi materiisgan Sedgeba diferenciaciis im mdgomareobaSi, romelic CvenTvis cnobili mdgomareobisganaa gansxvavebuli?

pasuxi - vfiqrob, rom es ueWvelad asea. es aris im masalebis sawyobi, romlebisganac varskvlavebi, planetebi da sxva ciuri sxeulebi formirdeba. dedamiwaze ar aris materia am mdgomareobaSi. magram is materia, romelic ukve diferencirebulia da dedamiwaze imyofeba, aseve sxva planetebzec aris. da piriqiT. magram, rogorc me mesmis, sanam planetebs miaRwevdes, materiam im mdgomareobidan, romelSiac igi irmis naxtomSi imyofeba, jer unda diferenciaciis mravali stadia gaiaros. magaliTisTvis, materia mzis sistemis sazRvrebSi sruliad sxva mdgomareobaSi imyofeba, vidre materia mis sazRvrebs gareT.

SekiTxva – aris Tu ara gansxvaveba bundovanebebsa (nislovanebebsa) da irmis naxtoms Soris?

pasuxi – me ase vityodi, rom gansxvaveba iseTivea, rogoric gzasa da qvebs da WuWys Soris am gzaze. ra sakvirvelia, unda arsebobdes gansxvaveba irmis naxtomis materiasa da sxvadasxva bundovanebis materias Soris, da es ukanasknelic sxvadasxva bundovanebaSi sxvadasxva unda iyos. magram yvela Tqvens mecnierul gamoTvlebsa da gazomvebSi aucilebelia mxedvelobaSi miiRoT, rom sinaTle, romlis wyalobiTac sagnebis danaxva SeiZleba, warmoadgens areklil sinaTles, da optikuri iluzia, romelic dedamiwis atmosferos mieraa gamowveuli, SeuZlebels xdis manZilis absoluturad zust gamoTvlas da a.S. imis

garda, rom atmosfero mTlianad amaxinjebs saTvalTvalo materias, romlisganac ciuri sxeulebi Sedgeba, mas kidev SeuZlia CvenSi mcdari idea Casaxos imis Sesaxeb, rom ciur sxeulTa agebuleba iseTivea, rogoric dedamiwisa. yovel SemTxvevaSi maswavleblebi gvaswavlian amas.

Sloka (6) sicocxlis fesvi ukvdavebis (amrita) okeanis yovel wveTSi iyo, da okeane iyo Suqmfinari sinaTle, romelic iyo cecxli, da siTbo, da moZraoba. wyvdiadi gaqra da meti aRar arsebobda; igi gaqra Tavis arsSi, cecxlisa da wylis, mamisa da dedis sxeulSi.

SekiTxva – ra gansxvavebuli mniSvnelobebi aqvs kosmosis gansxvavebul planebze termins `cecxli~?

pasuxi – cecxli xuTi elementidan yvelaze ufro mistikuri da amasTanave yvelaze ufro RvTaebrivia. misi sxvadasxva mniSvnelobis axsna mxolod Cvens planze, sxva planebis Seuxeblad, adamianTa umravlesobisTvis metismetad Zneli da sruliad gaugebari iqneboda. cecxli sinaTlis mamaa, sinaTle siTbosa da haeris (vitaluri haeris) mSobelia. Tu absolutur RvTaebad wyvdiads, anu bnel cecxls CavTvliT, maSin sinaTle, rogorc wyvdiadis pirveli warmonaSobi, pirvel TviTSemecnebad RmerTs warmoadgens. radgan ra aris sinaTle mis pirvelmizezSi, Tu ara RvTaeba, romelic samyaros anaTebs da yovelives sicocxles aZlevs? sinaTle aris is, rac abstraqciidan realobad iqca. aravis arasodes unaxavs realuri an pirveladi sinaTle. is, rasac Cven vxedavT, mxolod da mxolod anareklis gardatexili sxivebia, romlebic materiaSi CaSvebasTan da formis miRebasTan erTad sul ufro mkvrivi da naklebad manaTobeli xdeba. amgvarad, termini `cecxli~ Seicavs yvelafers. cecxli uxilavi RvTaebaa, `mamaa~, gamJRavnebadi sinaTle ki aris RmerTi-Ze, aseve mze. okulturi gagebiT, cecxli eTeria, eTeri moZraobiT ibadeba, moZraoba ki aris maradiuli bneli, uxilavi cecxli. cecxls bunebaSi yvelaferi moZraobaSi mohyavs, igi yvelafers marTavs, umaRlesi pirveladi

eTeriT dawyebuli da umciresi molekuliT damTavrebuli sivrceSi. moZraoba maradiulia per se, da gamJRavnebul kosmosSi igi imisi alfa da omegaa, rasac hqvia eleqtroba, galvanizmi, magnetizmi, SegrZneba – zneobrivi da fizikuri, - azri da sicocxlec ki am planze. Sesabamisad, cecxli Cvens planze moZraobis, anu sicocxlis, mxolod da mxolod gamJRavnebaa. rozenkreicerebi yvela kosmosur fenomens ise epyrobodnen, rogorc `cocxal geometrias~. cecxlis filosofosebi ambobdnen, rom yoveli polaruli funqcia pirvelarsebuli polarobis mxolod da mxolod gameorebaa. radgan moZraoba siTbos warmoSobs, eTeri moZraobaSi ki siTboa. rodesac igi moZraobas anelebs, sicive iqmneba, radgan `sicive aris eTeri latentur mdgomareobaSi~. amrigad, bunebis ZiriTadi mdgomareobebi Seicavs sam pozitiur da sam negatiur mdgomareobas, romlebic pirvelarsebul sinaTled sinTezirdeba. sam negatiur mdgomareobas ganekuTvneba (1) wyvdiadi; (2) sicive; (3) vakuumi, anu sicariele. sami pozitiuri mdgomareobaa (1) sinaTle (Cvens planze); (2) siTbo; (3) mTeli buneba. amrigad, cecxls SeiZleba samyaros erTianoba ewodos. sufTa kosmosuri cecxli (ase vTqvaT, sawvavis gareSe) aris RvTaeba Tavis universalobaSi, radgan kosmosur cecxls an mis mier warmoSobil siTbos materiis yoveli atomi Seicavs gamJRavnebul bunebaSi. samyaroSi ar aris arc erTi sagani da arc erTi nawilaki, latentur cecxls rom ar Seicavdes.

SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi SeiZleba cecxli ganvixiloT rogorc pirveli elementi?

pasuxi – rodesac vambobT, rom cecxli elementebidan pirvelia, mxedvelobaSi gvaqvs cecxli, romelic CvenTvis kargad aris cnobili da romelic pirvels warmoadgens mxolod xilul samyaroSi. Cveni samyaros umaRles planzec ki, A an G globusis planze, garkveul damokidebulebaSi, mxolod meoTxe elements warmoadgens. okultistebi, Sua saukuneebis rozenkreicerebi da Sua saukuneebis kabalistebic ki ambobdnen, rom Cveni adamianuri aRqmisTvis da umaRlesi angelozebis aRqmisTvisac ki universaluri RvTaeba aris wyvdiadi, da am wyvdiadidan logosi gamodis Semdeg aspeqtebSi: (1) wona (qaosi, romelic eTeri xdeba mis pirvelad mdgomareobaSi); (2) sinaTle; (3) siTbo; (4) cecxli.

SekiTxva – ra TanafardobaSia mze, CvenTvic cnobili cecxlis formebida umaRlesi, cecxlTan, rogorc Tqven igi axseniT?

pasuxi – mze, iseTi rogoric Cvens planzea, mziur cecxlsac ki ar warmoadgens. mze, romelsac Cven vxedavT, Tavisas arafers iZleva, imitom rom igi aris anarekli, eleqtromagnitur ZalTa kona, uricxvi miliardi `fohatis kvanZebidan~ erT-erTi. fohats sinamdvileSi uwodeben `pirveladi sinaTlis Zafebs~, ariadnas `narTis gorgals~ qaosuri materiis am labirinTSi. Zafi dabla eSveba, Svid planze gadis da kvanZebad ikvreba. imis gamo, rom yoveli plani SvidobiTia, ormocdacxra mistikuri da fizikuri Zala yalibdeba, amasTan ufro msxvili kvanZebi ayalibebs varskvlavebs, mzeebs da sistemebs, momcro kvanZebi ki – planetebs da a.S.

SekiTxva – ra gagebiT warmoadgens mze iluzias?

pasuxi – Cveni mzis eleqtromagnituri kvanZi arc nivTiers warmoadgens, arc sivrcobrivs, molekulursac ki ar warmoadgens im gagebiT, romliTac Cven eleqtroba gvesmis. mze sxeulebs Tavis sistemaSi itacebs, `maTze fsiqiurad moqmedebs da `vampirebad~ aqcevs~. garda amisa mze Tavisas arafers iZleva. amitom absurdulia imis Tqma, rom mzis cecxls SeuZlia gadaiwvas da TandaTan Caqres. mze mxolod da mxolod erT gansazRvrul funqcias asrulebs: igi sicocxlis impulss aZlevs yvelafers, rac ki mis sxivebqveS sunTqavs da cocxlobs. mze sistemis pulsirebadi gulia, da yoveli guliscema impulsia. magram es guli uxilavia: verc erTi astronomi verasodes dainaxavs mas. is, rac am gulSia dafaruli, da is, rasac Cven vgrZnobT da vxedavT, anu xiluli ali da cecxli, SeiZleba SevadaroT nervebs, romlebic mzis sistemis kunTebs marTavs, amasTanave sxeulis zRvrebs gareT myof nervebs. es impulsi meqanikuri ar aris, igi sufTa sulieri, nervuli impulsia.

SekiTxva – ra TanafardobaSia `wona~ im mniSvnelobiT, romliTac Tqven xmarobT, gravitaciasTan?

pasuxi – wonaSi igulisxmeba gravitacia mizidulobisa da ganzidulebis okulturi mniSvnelobiT. es aris diferenciaciis erT-erTi atributi, romelic universalur Tvisebas warmoadgens. umravles

SemTxvevaSi sxvadasxva mdgomareobaSi myof materias Soris mizidulobiTa da ganzidulebiT SeiZleba aixsnas (maSin roca gravitaciis `kanoni~ amisaTvis arasakmarisia), mzesTan miaxloebisas kometebis kudebi ratom ikaveben iseT mdgomareobas, romelic hipoTezas aSkarad ewinaaRmdegeba.

SekiTxva – amasTan dakavSirebiT ra mniSvneloba aqvs wyals?

pasuxi – imis gamo, rom wyali misi atomuri wonis Sesabamisad Sedgeba wyalbadis erTi mecxredi nawilisgan (rogorc iciT, es aris Zalian aalebadi gazi, da igi yvela organul sxeulSi imyofeba) da Jangbadis rva mecxredi nawilisgan (romelic nebismier sxva sxeulTan Zalian swrafi SeerTebisas aalebas iwvevs), sxva ra unda iyos igi, Tu ara cecxlis (civ an latentur Txevad formaSi) pirvelarsebuli Zalis erT-erTi forma. cecxls wyalTan iseTive damokidebuleba aqvs, rogoric umaRles suls materiasTan.

Sloka (7) ixile, o lanu (moswavle), im orTa Suqmfinari Svili, Seudarebeli, mbrwyinavi didebuleba – sinaTlis sivrce, wyvdiadis sivrcis Ze, romelic diadi bneli wylebis siRrmeebidan warmoiSveba. es aris OEAOHOO umcrosi (romelsac Sen amJamad rogorc guan-Si-ins icnob). igi anaTebs, rogorc mze, igi mgznebarea, sibrZnis RvTaebrivi drakonia. eka (erTi) aris Caturi (oTxni), da Caturi irTavs sams, da kavSiri saptas (Svids) warmoSobs, masSi Svidnia, romlebic xdebian tridaSa (samjer aTi), gundebi da simravle. ixile igi, romelic safarvels wamowevs da gadafens aRmosavleTidan dasavleTisken. igi maRlivs faravs, tovebs Zirs, romelic movlenilia rogorc diadi iluzia. mbrwyinavTaTvis (varskvlavebisTvis) adgilebs niSnavs da maRlivs (sivrces) cecxlis usazRvro zRvad aqcevs da erTian gamJRavnebas (elements) - diad wylebad.

guan-Si-in da guan-in cecxlisa da wylis sinonimurebia. es ori RvTaeba Tavis pirvelarsebul gamJRavnebaSi warmoadgens gaorebul, anu orobiT, RmerTs, orsqesian bunebas, puruSas da prakritis.

SekiTxva – romlebi Seesabameba sam logoss Semdegi terminebidan – OEAOHOO umcrosi, guan-Si-in, guan-in, ded-mama, cecxli da wyali, sinaTlis sivrce da wyvdiadis sivrce?

pasuxi – TiToeulma es TviTon unda gansazRvros. `guan-Si-in mbrwyinavTaTvis (varskvlavebisTvis) adgilebs niSnavs da maRlivs cecxlis usazRvro zRvad aqcevs da erTian gamJRavnebas - diad wylebad~. kargad dafiqrdiT amaze. cecxli aq niSnavs dafarul umaRles suls, wyali – mis warmonaSobs, nests, anu SemoqmedebiT elementebs, aq dedamiwaze, gareTa SreSi, xolo ganviTarebadi, anu SemoqmedebiTi, principebi SigniT, dafaruli principebia. iluzionizmis mimdevari, albaT, ityoda, rom isini `zemoTaa~.

SekiTxva – es ra safarvelia, romelsac OEAOHOO umcrosi wamoswevs aRmosavleTidan dasavleTisken?

pasuxi – es aris sinamdvilis safarveli, anu farda, romelic maRla iweva, rom mayurebelma yofierebis, dekoraciisa da msaxiobebis scenaze iluzia, mokled rom vTqvaT, maias samyaro, dainaxos.

SekiTxva – ra aris `maRlivi sivrce~ da `cecxlis usazRvro zRva~?

pasuxi - `maRlivi sivrce~ aris sivrce `SigniT~, ra paradoqsuladac ar unda Candes es, radgan usazRvrobaSi ar aris `maRla~ da `dabla~. planebi erTimeores mihyveba da Signidan gareT mkvrivdeba. faqtiurad, es aris samyaro, romelic laias mdgomareobidan anu `nulidan~, pirvelad gamJRavnda; es aris umaRlesi sulis usazRvro sivrce, `cecxlis zRva~.

SekiTxva – sworia Tu ara, rom `diadi wylebi~ isaa, romelTa Tavzedac wyvdiadi danavardobda?

pasuxi – mocemul SemTxvevaSi arasworia imis Tqma, rom wyvdiadi danavardobda. absoluturi wyvdiadi, anu maradiuli Seucnobadi, ar SeiZleba aqtiuri iyos, navardi ki aqtiurobaa.

`dabadebaSiac~ kia naTqvami, rom wyvdiadi ufskrulis Tavze iyo, xolo `wylis Tavze daqroda~ RvTis suli. ezoterikulad es niSnavs, rom dasawyisSi, rodesac usasrulobas forma ar gaaCnda da qaosi, anu gare kosmosi, jer kidev sicarieles warmoadgenda, iyo mxolod wyvdiadi (anu kalahansa para-brahma). Semdeg ganTiadis pirvel sxivTan erTad `RvTis sulma~ (mesame logosma, anu naraianam, romelic pirvel da meore logosTa gamosxivebis Semdeg warmoiSva) `ufskrulis~ diadi wylebis Tavze daiwyo navardi. Sesabamisad, swori da ufro gasagebi iqneboda kiTxvis ase dasma: `sworia Tu ara, rom diadi wylebi igivea, rac aq naxsenebi wyvdiadi?~ maSin pasuxi dadebiTi iqneboda. kalahansas ormagi mniSvneloba aqvs. egzoterikulad igi brahma-gedia, `diadi frinveli~, gamtari, romelSiac wyvdiadi Tavs amJRavnebs adamianuri gagebisTvis rogorc sinaTle da es samyaro. magram ezoterikulad TviT wyvdiadi, Seucnobadi absoluti, warmoadgens swored wyaros jer gamosxivebisa, romelsac pirveli logosi hqvia, Semdeg ki misi anareklisa, ganTiadisa, anu meore logosisa, da, bolos, brahmasi, gamJRavnebuli sinaTlisa, anu mesame logosisa. nu dagvaviwydeba, rom gamJRavnebis am iluziis ukan, romelsac Cven vxedavT da vgrZnobT da romelic, rogorc gvggonia, Cvens grZnobiT aRqmas emorCileba, sinamdvileSi mxolod is dgas, romlisac ver gvesmis, rasac ver vxedavT, ver vgrZnobT, ver vexebiT. es aris mxolod da mxolod didi iluzia da meti araferi.

SekiTxva – vubrundebi ufro adre dasmul kiTxvas: ra gagebiT SeiZleba eleqtrobas `arsi~ daerqvas?

pasuxi – mxolod im SemTxvevaSi, Tu mis Sesaxeb vambobT rogorc fohatis Sesaxeb, misi pirvelarsebuli Zalis Sesaxeb. sinamdvileSi arsebobs mxolod erTi Zala, romelic gamJRavnebul planze milionobiT formaSi Cndeba CvenTvis. rogorc ukve iTqva, Yvelaferi erTi universaluri pirvelarsebuli cecxlidan xdeba, xolo eleqtroba Cvens planze am cecxlis erT-erTi yvelaze ufro yovlismomcveli aspeqtia. yvelaferi eleqtrobas Seicavs, da yvelaferi eleqtrobas warmoadgens, WinWriT dawyebuli, romelic susxavs, mexiT damTavrebuli, romelic klavs, qvaSi naperwkliT dawyebuli, sxeulSi sisxliT damTavrebuli. magram eleqtroba, romelsac Cven vxedavT, magaliTad, eleqtronaTuraSi, fohatisagan sruliad gansxvavdeba. eleqtroba fizikur samyaroSi molekuluri

moZraobis mizezs warmoadgens, Sesabamisad ki, aqac, dedamiwazec. es aris materiis erT-erTi principi, radgan, wonasworobis yoveli darRvevis dros eleqtroba warmoiSveba, da igi xdeba, ase vTqvaT, kamuri elementi obieqtisa, romelSiac wonasworobis es darRveva xdeba. Sesabamisad, fohati, rogorc am Zalis (mis milionobiT aspeqtSi) pirvelmizezi da rogorc universaluri kosmosuri eleqtrobis erTianoba, aris `arsi~.

SekiTxva – magram am terminSi ras gulisxmobT? gana eleqtrobac arss ar warmoadgens?

pasuxi – me mas ase ar vuwodebdi. sityva `arsi~ (Entity) Seqmnilia laTinuri Ziridan ent - `arseboba~, da zmnidan esse - `yofna~; Sesabamisad, yvelaferi, rac sxva rameze ar aris damokidebuli, arss warmoadgens, qviSis namceciT dawyebuli RmerTiT damTavrebuli. magram Cvens SemTxvevaSi mxolod fohati warmoadgens arss, eleqtrobas ki misi Cveulebrivi mecnieruli mniSvnelobiT mxolod SedarebiTi mniSvneloba aqvs.

SekiTxva – gana kosmosuri eleqtroba fohatis Zes ar warmoadgens, misi `Svidi Ze~ ki – arsebs?

pasuxi – vSiSob, rom ara. mzis Sesaxeb rom vlaparakobT, SegviZlia mas arsi vuwodoT, magram saeWvoa, rom mzis sxivsac, romelic Tvalebs gvWris, arss davarqmevT. `fohatis Zeebi~ sxvadasxva Zalebia, romlebsac Tavis arsSi, anu yofierebaSi, fohatiuri, anu kosmosuri, eleqtruli sicocxle aqvT, maTs sxvadasxva gamJRavnebaSi. magaliTisTvis, gaxexeT qarva – fohatiuri arsi – da igi warmoSobs `Zes~, romelic Calis Rerebis mizidvas daiwyebs: aSkarad usulo da araorganuli sagani aseTi saxiT sicocxles amJRavnebs! magram Tu TiTebiT WinWars gaxexavT, Tqvenc fohatis Zes miiRebT beberas saxiT. mocemul SemTxvevaSi bebera arsia, magram miziduloba, romelic Calis Reroze moqmedebs, arss ar warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi fohati kosmosuri eleqtrobaa, da `Zec~ eleqtrobaa?

pasuxi – eleqtroba fohatis moqmedebaa, magram, rogorc amwuTas vTqvi, TviTon fohati eleqtroba ar aris. okultizmis TvalsazrisiT, eleqtruli fenomenebi Zalian xSirad warmoiSveba obieqtis an sxeulTa molekulebis aranormaluri mdgomareobis mier sivrceSi: eleqtroba sicocxlea, magram igi sikvdilicaa; pirveli harmoniis mier iqmneba, meore – disharmoniis mier. vitaluri eleqtroba imave kanonebs emorCileba, rasac kosmosuri eleqtroba. molekulebis SeTavseba da axali formebis Camoyalibeba, agreTve axal TanafardobaTa damyareba da molekuluri wonasworobis darRveva, mTlianobaSi, aris fohatis moqmedeba da fohatis mier warmoiSveba. sinTezirebis principi (anu Svidi kosmosuri logosis emanacia) keTilismyofelia mxolod iq, sadac harmonia mefobs.

Sloka (8) sad iyo Canasaxi? da amJamad sad iyo wyvdiadi? sad aris suli cecxlisa, Sens lamparSi rom anTia, o lanu (moswavle)? Canasaxi aris is, da is aris sinaTle, TeTri, mbrwyinavi Ze mamisa, wyvdiadSi dafarulisa.

SekiTxva – ras warmoadgens suli cecxlisa, yoveli Cvenganis lamparSi rom anTia: Cvens zeciur mamas Tu Cvens umaRles me-s?

pasuxi – arc erTs, arc meores. citirebuli winadadeba mxolod da mxolod analogiaa da ganekuTvneba realur lampars, romelic moswavlem, SesaZloa, gamoiyenos.

SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara elementebi dhian-koganTa sxeulebs, da SeiZleba Tu ara iTqvas, rom wyalbadi, Jangbadi, ozoni da azoti materiis am planze pirvelarsebul elementebs warmoadgens?

pasuxi – am SekiTxvis pirvel nawilze pasuxs ipoviT, Tu `saidumlo doqtrinis~ simbolizms SeiswavliT. rac Seexeba CamoTvlil oTx elements, nu dagaviwydebaT, rom umaRles planze

Cveni aqroladi eTeric ki iseTive uxeSi iqneba, rogoric talaxia. yovel planze substanciis, anu materiis, Tavisi simkvrivea, Tavisi ferebia, bgerebi, sivrcis ganzomilebebi da a.S., romlebic CvenTvis am planze sruliad ucnobia; da rogorc dedamiwaze Sualeduri arsebebi arian (magaliTad, WianWvela erTgvari gardamavali arsia or plans Soris), aseve Cvens zemoT planzec arian arsebebi, romlebsac iseTi grZnobebi da unari gaaCniaT, romlebic am planis mcxovreblebisTvis ucnobia. ilaihiu veders omar xaiamis oTxtaepiani leqsis mSvenieri ilustracia aqvs, romelic fohatis kvanZebis Sesaxeb warmodgenas iZleva. es aris Cveulebrivi, iaponur maneraSi Sesrulebuli, naxatebisa da CuqurTmebiani ornamentebis Rrublebis gamosaxuleba, rodesac calkeuli xazebi gorgalSi exveva. swored es aris fohati - `kvanZTSemkvreli~, da, garkveuli TvalsazrisiT, es aris `samyaroebrivi nivTiereba~.

SekiTxva – Tu irmis naxtomi am `samyaroebrivi nivTierebis~ gamJRavnebaa, mTel caze ratom ar Cans igi?

pasuxi – ratom ar unda iyos igi adgil-adgil ufro mkvrivi saxiT, da mxolod es, damkvrivebuli, nawili Candes? samyaroebrivi nivTiereba `kvanZebs~ qmnis da mzis, kometis, planetis, stadiaze gadis, sanam bolos da bolos, mkvdar sxeulad, anu mTvared, ar iqceva. mzeebic sxvadasxva arsebobs. mzis sistemis mze mxolod anareklia. mziuri manvantaris boloSi igi sul ufro da ufro naklebad sxivieri gaxdeba, sul ufro nakleb siTbos gamoscems namdvil mzeSi cvlilebebis gamo, romlis anareklsac xiluli mze warmoadgens. mziuri pralaiis Semdeg momaval manvantaraSi axlandeli mze kometuri sxeuli gaxdeba, magaram, ra Tqma unda, es Cveni patara planeturi rigis sicocxlis dros ar moxdeba. mosazrebebi, romlebic speqtraluri varskvlavuri analizis safuZvelze iqmneba, ar SeiZleba damajereblad CaiTvalos, imitom rom am SemTxvevaSi gaTvaliswinebuli ar aris kosmosur mtverSi sinaTlis gavla. es imas ar niSnavs, rom varskvlavTa speqtrebs Soris gansxvaveba sruliad ar aris; es mxolod imas niSnavs, rom romeliRac gansazRvrul varskvlavSi rkinis an natriumis Semcvelobis Sesaxeb daskvna, SesaZloa, gamotanilia kosmosuri mtvris (romliTac dedamiwaa garemoculi) mier am varskvlavis sxivTa saxecvlilebis Sedegad.

SekiTxva – gana WianWvelas aRqmis Taviseburebani – magaliTisTvis, isini, romlebic mis mier feris aRqmas Cvenisgan ganasxvavebs, - mxolod fiziologiur pirobebzea damokidebuli?

pasuxi – WianWvelas, ra Tqma unda, SeuZlia igive bgerebi aRiqvas, rasac Cven aRviqvamT, magram mas aseve SeuZlia is bgerebi esmodes, romelTa mosmenac Cven ar SegviZlia. maSasadame, fiziologias, rogorc Cans, amasTan araviTari kavSiri ara aqvs. Cven da WianWvelas aRqmis sxvadasxva diapazoni gvaqvs. WianWvelasTan SedarebiT Cven evoluciis ufro maRal safexurze varT, magram Cvenze ufro maRali planis mimarTebaSi WianWvelasTan SeiZleba viyoT Sedarebulni.

SekiTxva – rodesac qarvas vxexavT, Cven eleqtrobas aRvagznebT. arsebobs raime, rac qarvisgan emanacias Seesabameba?

pasuxi – arsebobs. eleqtroba, romelic qarvaSi latenturadaa, yvelafer danarCenSi imyofeba da SeiZleba gamovlindes Sesabamisi pirobebis SeqmniT, romlebic misi gamoTavisuflebisTvisaa aucilebeli. farTodaa gavrcelebuli erTi mcdari warmodgena, romelic okutistisTvis yvelaze ufro did cdomilebas warmoadgens. xdeba gamijvna maT Soris, rasac sulieri da usulo obieqtebi hqvia. TiTqos dedamiwaze SesaZlebelia absoluturad usulo sagnis arseboba! sinamdvileSi isic ki, visac mkvdars uwodeben, ufro metad cocxalia, vidre odesme. garkveuli TvalsazrisiT, e.w. organulsa da araorganuls Soris gamijvna kvebis funqciis arsebobis Sesabamisad tardeba. magram, kveba rom ar yofiliyo, rogor unda Secvliliyo sxeuli, romelsac araorganuli hqvia? kristalebsac ki axasiaTebs zrdis procesi, romelic maTTvis kvebis funqcias Seesabameba. sinamdvileSi, rogorc okulturi filosofia gvaswavlis, yvelaferi, rac ki icvleba organulia; masSi sasicocxlo principi imyofeba, da am yvelafers umaRlesi sicocxlis yvela SesaZlebloba gaaCnia. Tuki, rogorc Cven vambobT, bunebaSi yvelaferi erTi elementis aspeqts warmoadgens, da sicocxle universaluria, nuTu araorganul atoms arseboba SeuZlia!

sxdoma 9 (stansa 3 Sl. 10-11)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 7 marts b-n u. kingslendis TavmjdomareobiT.

Sloka (10) ded-mama qsovils qsovs, misi zemoTa bolo mimagrebulia umaRles sulze (puruSaze), erTiani wyvdiadis sinaTleze, qvemoTa ki mis (umaRlesi sulis) Crdilovan mxareze, materiaze (prakritize); da es qsovili samyaroa, romelic ori arsiT aris moqsovili, erTianSi Serwymuli, rac aris svabhavati.

SekiTxva – umaRlesi suli da materia erTi da igive qsovilis mopirdapire mxareebia. sinaTle da wyvdiadi, siTbo da sicive, sicariele, anu sivrce, da yvelafriT Sevseba, rac ki arsebobs, esenic dapirispirebulobebia. es sami wyvili ra saxiT asocirdeba umaRles sulTan da materiasTan?

pasuxi – iseTive saxiT, rogorc samyaroSi yvelaferi an umaRles sulTan asocirdeba, an materiasTan, amasTan, erT-erTi maTgani orives mudmiv elementad iTvleba. sufTa materia aris sufTa suli, da, miuxedavad imisa, rom Cvens SezRudul gonierebas amis aRiareba SeuZlia, amis gageba mainc SeuZlebelia. arc sinaTle, arc wyvdiadi, rogorc optikuri efeqtebi, materias ar warmoadgens, magram isini arc umaRlesi sulia; sinaTlec da sibnelec materiis Tvisebebia.

SekiTxva – ra damokidebulebaSia eTeri umaRles sulTan da materiasTan?

pasuxi – aucilebelia namdvili eTeris (Aether) gansxvaveba eTerisgan (Ether). pirveli RvTaebrivia, meore – fizikuri da infernaluri (jojoxeTuri). eTeri (Ether) akaSa-pradhanas, pirveladi cecxlovani substanciis, SvidobiTi dayofis dabali donea. namdvili

eTeri (Aether) – akaSa – kosmosis sxeulis mexuTe da meeqvse principebia, romlebic adamianSi manassa da budhis Seesabameba, maSin roca eTeri (Ether) misi kosmosuri danaleqia, romelic astraluri sinaTlis umaRles SresTanaa gazavebuli. srul ganviTarebas igi mexuTe ZiriTadi rasis dros iwyebs da mxolod mesame wris dasawyisSi amTavrebs. namdvili eTeri (Aether) aris akaSa mis umaRles aspeqtSi, eTeri (Ether) ki – akaSa dabal aspeqtSi. pirvelSi igi mama-Semqmnelis, zevsis, mama-eTeris eqvivalenturia, meoreSi – imfernalur gvel-macdurisa, kabalistebis astraluri sinaTlisa. ukanasknel SemTxvevaSi igi warmoadgens srulad diferencirebul materias, pirvelSi – mxolod nawilobriv diferencirebuls. sxva sityvebiT, umaRlesi suli obieqturi materia xdeba, obieqturi materia ki kvlav subieqturi umaRlesi suli xdeba, roca igi Cveni metafizikuri grZnobebis mier aRqmas aRar emorCileba. namdvili eTeri (Aether) iseTive damokidebulebaSia kosmosTan da Cvens patara dedamiwasTan, rogorSiac manasia manadasTan da sxeulTan. Sesabamisad, dabal eTers (Ether) umaRles sulTan saerTo araferi aqvs, subieqtur materiasTan da Cvens dedamiwasTan ki bevri ram saerTo aqvs.

SekiTxva - `brahma, rogorc uxilavi wyvdiadis Canasaxi, materiaa, risganac yvelaferi evolucionirebs da viTardeba~. logikis erT-erTi aqsioma ambobs, rom gonebas ar SeuZlia daijeros is, rac misTvis sruliad gaugebaria. Tu brahmas forma ar gaaCnia, maSin mis Sesaxeb goneba veraviTar ideas ver aRiqvams, radgan gonebas ar SeuZlia uformos aRqma. Cven unari gvaqvs aRviqvaT samoseli, anu `RmerTis~ formaSi gamJRavneba, da mxolod aseTi, da ara sxva raime, saxiT SevZlebT mis Sesaxeb raimes gagebas. aseT SemTxvevaSi rogoria im masalis pirveli forma, romlis Cawvdomac adamianis cnobierebas SeuZlia?

pasuxi – Tqveni logikuri aqsiomis gamoyeneba mxolod dabali manasis mimarTESeiZleba, da mosazrebebi mxolod kama-manasis aRqmis TvalsazrisiT mogyavT. okultizmi ki imas aswavlis, rasac umaRlesi egos, anu budhi-manasis, SecnobiT iRebs. Sevecdebi TqvenTvis gasageb enaze gipasuxoT. pirveladi materiis pirvel da erTaderT formas, romlis Segnebac Cveni tvinis cnobierebiT SeiZleba, wre warmoadgens. upirveles yovlisa wreze Rrma yuradRebis mokrebiT ivarjiSeT da amis Semdeg misi

sazRvrebi TandaTan gaafarToeT. male iseT moments miaRwevT, roca Tqvens warmodgenaSi wred yofnis Seuwyvetliv igi mainc usasrulo da usazRvro xdeba Sida aRqmisTvisac ki. swored am wres vuwodebT brahmas, Canasaxs, atoms, anu anu-s – latentur atoms, romelic pralaias dros usasrulobas da usazRvro maradisobas moicavs. anu arsebobis ciklebis dros aqtiuria, magram arc zRvrebi gaaCnia, arc plani, mas mxolod usazRvro ganfeniloba aqvs. amgvarad, wre pirveli geometriuli figura da simboloa subieqtur samyaroSi, da igi obieqtur samyaroSi samkuTxedi xdeba. wris Semdeg samkuTxedi momdevno figuraa. pirveli figura, wre wertiliT, faqtiurad figuras ar warmoadgens – es aris ubralod pirveladi Canasaxi, pirveli, risi warmodgenac ki diferenciaciis dasawyisSi SeiZleba. samkuTxedi maSin warmoidgineba, rogorc ki am materiam nulovani wertili, anu laiam-i gaiara. brahmas atomi hqvia, imitom rom Cven is unda warmovidginoT rogorc maTematikuri wertili, romelic, mainc, absoluturobamde SeiZleba gafarTovdes. Nota Bene1, es aris RvTaebrivi Canasaxi, da ara qimikosebis atomi! da formis iluziisgan Tavi daicaviT. rogorc ki Tqvens RvTaebas adamianur formaSi moaTavsebT, Tqven mas SezRudavT da ganapirobebT, es ki niSnavs, rom anTropomorful RmerTs SeqmniT.

Sloka (11) igi (qsovili) vrceldeba, rodesac cecxlis sunTqva (mama) mis Tavs zemoTaa; igi (qsovili) mokldeba, roca mas dedis (materiis fesvis) sunTqva exeba. maSin Zeebi (elementebi maTi Sesabamisi ZalebiTa da gonierebebiT) gancalkevdebian da ifantebian, raTa `diadi dRis~ dasrulebisas dedis mucelSi dabrundnen, rom masTan kvlav SeerTdnen. roca igi (narTi) civdeba, mbrwyinavi xdeba. misi Zeebi TavisTavad da Tavisi gulebiT gaiSlebian da ikumSebian; isini usazRvroebas iteven.

SekiTxva – gamoiyeneba Tu ara am SemTxvevaSi sityva `gaSla~ diferenciaciis, anu ganviTarebis, mniSvnelobiT, `SekumSva~ ki – involuciis mniSvnelobiT, Tu isini manvantarasa 1 SeniSneT (laT.)

da pralaias exeba? SesaZloa maTSi samyaroebrivi nivTierebis pulsirebadi moZraoba igulisxmeba? es gafarToeba da SekumSva erTdroulad xdeba Tu TanmimdevrobiT?

pasuxi – qsovili (narTi) marad da pirvelarsebuli substanciaa. Cvens gagebaSi, es aris sufTa umaRlesi suli – masala, risganac obieqturi samyaro an samyaroebi viTardeba. `rodesac cecxlis sunTqva, anu mama, `narTis~ Tavs zemoTaa, igi farTovdeba. anu, rogorc subieqturi masala, igi usazRvroa, maradiulia, mouSlelia. `rodesac dedis sunTqva mas exeba~, e.i. rodesac gamJRavnebis dro dgeba, da igi obieqturi unda gaxdes da formas daeuflos, ikumSeba, radgan obieqtur materialur formas ar SeuZlia usazRvro iyos. Tumc niutonis mtkiceba imis Sesaxeb, rom materiis yovel nawilaks nebismieri sxva nawilakis mimarT mizidulobis Tvisebebi gaaCnia mTlianobaSi sworia, da, Tumc leibnicis mtkiceba imis Sesaxeb, rom yoveli atomi samyaroa, romelic TviT misTvis damaxasiaTebeli Zalis wyalobiTaa aqtiuri, aseve sworia, magram mainc arc erTi, arc meore mtkiceba sruls ar warmoadgens. radgan adamianic atomia, romelsac mizidvisa da ganzidvis Tvisebebi gaaCnia, da igi aris makrokosmosis mikrokosmosi. magram gana swori iqneba Tu vityviT, rom, imis gamo, rom adamians Zala da goniereba aqvs, amitom igi sxva nebismieri adamianuri arsebisgan damoukidebelia, an, rom igi moqmedebasa da gadaadgilebas SesZlebda, mis sakuTarze ufro maRali Zala da goniereba rom ar hqonoda, romlebic mas cxovrebis, moqmedebisa da gadaadgilebis saSualebas aZleven Zalisa da gonierebis am umaRles mdgenelSi? `saidumlo doqtrinis~ erT-erTi amocanaa imis damtkiceba, rom planetebis moZraoba mxolod gravitaciis TeoriiT ar SeiZleba damakmayofileblad aixsnas. materiaSi moqmedi Zalis garda aris agreTve Zala, romelic materiaze moqmedebs. rodesac vlaparakobT sulimateriis saxeSecvlil mdgomareobebze (rac, sinamdvileSi, aris Zala) da maT sxvadasxva dasaxelebebs vaZlevT, iseTebs, rogoricaa siTbo, sicive, sinaTle, sibnele, miziduloba da ganziduloba, eleqtroba, magnetizmi da a.S., okultistisTvis es ubralod dasaxelebebia, romlebic erTi da igive Zalis (diferenciaciaSi mudam orobiTis) sxvadasxva gamovlinebaa, da ara calkeuli damoukidebeli Zalebi. imitom, rom obieqtur samyaroSi yvela msgavsi gansxvaveba mxolod materiis

diferenciaciis Taviseburebebidan gamomdinareobs; am materiaze mxolod erTi Tavisufali Zala moqmedebs, da amaSi mas materiis arsis is nawili exmareba, romelsac Cven gamomwydeul Zalas an materialur molekulebs vuwodebT. materiisTvis damaxasiaTebeli, Signidan momuSave, es Zala mudam cdilobs mis warmomSob gareSe wyarosTan gaerTiandes. da, amgvarad, Signidan moqmedi deda qsovilis SekumSvas iwvevs; mama ki, romelic garedan moqmedebs, - gafarToebas. mecniereba amas gravitacias uwodebs, okultisti – universaluri sasicocxlo Zalis moqmedebas, romeli Zalac im absoluturi da Seucnobadi Zalis mier gamosxivdeba, romelic mTeli droisa da sivrcis zRvrebs gareTaa. es aris evoluciisa da involuciis, anu gafarToebisa da SekumSvis moqmedeba.

SekiTxva – ra mniSvneloba aqvs frazas `narTi (qsovili) civdeba~, da es rodis xdeba?

pasuxi – rogorc Cans, TviTon, da ara mis zRvrebs gareT arsebuli sxva ramis meSveobiT, civdeba. rodis? Cven gviTxres, rom es im SemTxvevaSi iwyeba, Tu gamomwyvdeuliAZala da goniereba, romelic rogorc diferencirebuli, aseve erTgvarovani materiis yovel atoms axasiaTebs, im wertils aRweven, roca orive umaRles gonier Zalas emorCileba, romlis amocanasac materiis marTva da misTvis formis miniWeba warmoadgens. es is Zalaa, romelsac Cven RvTaebriv Tavisufal nebas vuwodebT, da dhiani-budebis saxiT aris warmodgenili. rodesac sicocxlisa da yofierebis centriskenuli da centridanuli Zalebi erTi usaxelo Zalis daqvemdebarebaSia, romelsac uwesrigoba wesrigSi mohyavs da romelic qaosSi harmonias amyarebs, maSin igi gacivebas iwyebs. SeuZlebelia zusti drois dasaxeleba procesSi, romlis xangrZlivobac ucnobia.

SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara forma centridanul da centriskenul ZalTa urTierTobis Sedegs materiaSi da bunebaSi?

pasuxi – CvenTvis naTqvamia, rom yoveli forma Seqmnilia im modelis Sesabamisad, romelic misTvis aris maradisobaSi dasaxuli da RvTaebrivi gonierebiT aris areklili. arsebobs formebis mSenebelTa ierarqiebi da formebisa da xarisxebis rigebi

umaRlesebidan udablesebamde. Tu umaRlesebi mSenebel-RmerTebis, anu kosmokratebis, xelmZRvanelobiT iqmneba, maSin udablesebi elementalebis, anu bunebis sulebis, mier Sendeba. magaliTisTvis, SeniSneT, zogierTi mweri, wyalxmeleTa cxoveli ra zustad imitirebs (ara mxolod feris, aramed gareSe formis mixedviTac) foTlebs, yvavilebs, xavsian totebsa da sxva e.w. `usulo~ sagnebs. nuTu Tanaxmani viqnebiT miviRoT darvinistebis `bunebrivi SerCevis~ Teoria da mosazrebebi rogorc amis axsna? vfiqrob, rom ara. bunebrivi SerCevis Teoria mibaZvis am idumali unaris asaxsnelad ara marto sruliad gamoudegaria yofierebis sferoSi, aramed agreTve absoluturad araswor warmodgenas iZleva mibaZvis iseTi unaris mniSvnelobaze, rogoricaa `sicocxlisaTvis brZolis mZlavri iaraRi~. da Tu damtkicdeba – es ki, albaT, Zneli ar aris, - rom mibaZvis es unari darvinistul sistemaSi absoluturad ar Tavsdeba, anu hipoTeza imis Sesaxeb, rom igi, TiTqos, e.w. `uZlieresTa gadarCenis~ miznebiT gamoiyeneba, seriozul kritikas ver uZlebs, maSin riTi SeiZleba aixsnas am unaris arseboba? Tqven yvelas ginaxavT mwerebi, romlebic TiTqmis sarkis arekvlis sizustiT baZaven mcenareebis, foTlebis, yvavilebis, gamxmari totebis da a.S. fers da konfiguraciasac ki. da es kanons ki ar warmoadgens, aramed, ufro sworad, wesebidan xSir gamonakliss. gonierebis garda, diax, uxilavi gonierebisa ara mwerSi, sxva ras SeuZlia didi zomis originalebs aseTi sizustiT mibaZos?

SekiTxva – magram gana batoni uolesi ar gviCvenebs, rom bunebaSi aseT mibaZvas Tavisi mizani aqvs? es xom swored `bunebrivi SerCevis~ Teoriasa da Tandayolili instiqtis (romelic ufro sust arsebebs saSualebas aZlevs nasesxebi samoselis daxmarebiT TavSesafari ipovon) arsebobas amtkicebs? mweriWamia, romelic mcenariTa da foTlebiT ar ikvebeba, Tavs ar daesxmeba mwers, romelic foTols an xavss hgavs.

pasuxi – es, ra Tqma unda, damajereblad mogveCveneboda, utyuari mtkicebulebebi rom ar arsebuliyo, romlebic amtkicebs, rom bunebrivi SerCevis Teoria mibaZvis fenomenTa asaxsnelad ar varga. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi kanonzomierebas SevamCnevdiT, sayovelTao Tu ara, erTi da igive pirobebSi mainc. magaliTisTvis, aseTi kanonzomierebis saerTo gamovlineba

iqneboda erTi da igive mxaris cxovelTa Seferilobis identuroba niadagis feris mixedviT. magram ras ityviT udabnos aqlemis Sesaxeb, romlis `damcavi~ feri im vakis fers emTxveva, romelzedac is cxovrobs, da zebras Sesaxeb, romlis mkveTr Sav zolebs ar SeuZlia igi daicvas samxreT afrikis gaSlil vakeebze, rogorc TviTon batonma darvinma aRiara? mecniereba gvarwmunebs, rom niadagis feris es imitacia sust cxovelebSi SeimCneva, da, miuxedavad amisa, vxedavT, rom lomis (romelsac udabnoSi metoqe ar hyavs) tyavis feri TiTqmis ar gansxvavdeba qvebisa da qviSis ferisagan, romelTa Sorisac igi binadrobs! Cven gvTavazoben davijeroT is, rom `damcavi Seferiloba aixsneba im sargeblobiT da upiratesobiT, romlebsac igi mimbaZvels aZlevs, da sicocxlisaTvis brZolis mZlavri iaraRiT aRWuravs~. da mainc, yoveldRiuri gamocdileba sruliad sawinaaRmdegos amowmebs. ase, arsebobs mTeli rigi cxovelebisa, romlebSiac naTlad gamoxatuli mibaZvis unari sruliad usargebloa da, rac kidev ufro uaresia, damRupveli da xSirad TviTgamanadgurebelia. ra sargebeli aqvs kaWkaWs an TuTiyuSs imisgan, rom adamianis laparakis mibaZva SeuZliaT? maT ubralod galiaSi svamen. ra sargebeli aqvT maimunebs imisgan, rom Cveni mimikebisa da Jestebis mibaZva SeuZliaT? mravali maTganisTvis es mxolod usiamovnebebis momtania, da sxeulis dazianebisa da daRupvis mizezsac ki warmoadgens. ra sargebelia suleli cxvris farisTvis imisgan, rom isini Tavis winamZRols brmad mihyvebian, ufskrulSiac Tu gadaiCexa igi SemTxveviT? msgavsi dauokebeli survili (Tavis liderebs mibaZva) imisi mizezi gaxda, rom mraval darvinists siamovnebiT gamouTqvams yvelaze ufro absurduli da uazro mtkicebebi. ase, gekelis momxre batoni grant aleni Tavis naSromSi sadiskusio Temaze erTi induri xvlikis Sesaxeb mogviTxrobs, romelic RmerTma sami sxvadasxva msxvili parazitiT daajildova. TiToeuli paraziti srulyofilebiT imitirebs sxeulis im nawilis fers, romelzedac is binadrobs. xvlikis mucelze myofi paraziti iseTive yviTeli ferisaa, rogoric mucelia; zurgze mobinadre meore paraziti zurgis qerclis msgavsad, Wrelia; mesame ki, romelic xvlikis yavisfer Tavze damkvidrda, Tavis ferisgan praqtikulad ganurCevelia. batoni g. aleni amtkicebs, rom Sesabamisi ferebis es zusti imitacia parazitebs TviT xvlikisgan icavs. magram bunebrivi SerCevis Teoriis am saxelovan damcvels xom ar unda Tavisi mkiTxvelebi daarwmunos imaSi, rom xvliks

Tavis sakuTar Tavze parazitebis danaxva SeuZlia! da, bolos, rad unda Tevzs, romelic marjnis rifebs Soris cxovrobs, brWyviala wiTeli qercli an samoTxis Cits, kolibris, ferad-feradi bumbuli, tropikuli faunisa da floris brWyviala ferebs rom baZavs, Tu ara imisTvis, rom ufro metad SesamCnevi iyos?

SekiTxva – maS mibaZvis am unars riT xsnis okultizmi?

pasuxi – mizezi ramdenimea. amgvari iSviaTi tropikuli frinvelebi da foTlis magvari mwerebi uwindeli Sualeduri rgolebia: pirvel SemTxvevaSi – xvliksa da kolibris Soris, ukanasknel SemTxvevaSi – garkveul mcenareebsa da mwerTa saxeebs Soris. milionobiT wlis winaT aseTi `gamoklebuli rgolebi~ mravali iyo planetis yovel wertilSi, sadac sicocxle arsebobda. magram Semdeg, ciklebisa da Taobebis SecvlasTan erTad, isini sul ufro iSviaTebi xdebodnen, da amJamad maTi naxva mxolod calkeul adgilebSi SeiZleba, radgan yvela es rgoli warsulis reliqtia.

SekiTxva – xom ar agvixsnidiT, okultizmis TvalsazrisiT ras ewodeba `gravitaciis kanoni~?

pasuxi – mecniereba jiutad amtkicebs, rom sxeulebi erTmaneTs miezidebian masis pirdapirproporciulad da maT Soris manZilis kvdratis ukuproporciulad. magram okultistebi eWvoben, rom es kanoni planetebis brunvis mimarT gamoyenebadia saerToSi. aviRoT kepleris pirveli da meore kanonebi, romlebic niutonis kanonSia CarTuli gerSelis formulirebaSi: `mizidulobis iseTi Zalis gavleniT, romelic or sferul sxeuls aiZulebs erTmaneTi miizidos, yoveli maTgani, moZraobs ra meoris uSualo siaxloeSi, orbitaze Tavis moZraobaSi urTierTmimarTulebiT gadaixreba da aRwers (imisgan damokidebulebiT, ganixileba Tu ara isini izolirebulad Tu sxva maTTvis saerTo gravitaciis centrze damokidebulebiT) mruds, romlis formac damaxasiaTebelia figurebisTvis, romlebic geometriaSi cnobilia saerTo dasaxelebiT `konusuri Wrili~. garkveuli garemoebebisgan damokidebulebiT, rogoricaa: siCqareebi, manZilebi da mimarTulebebi, am mruds elifsis, wris, parabolis an hiperbolis forma eqneba. mas unda hqondes an erTi, an meore forma~ da a.S.

mecniereba amtkicebs, rom planetebis moZraobis fenomeni im ZalTa Sedegs warmoadgens, romelTa Soris erTi centriskenulia, meore ki centridanuli, da rom sxeuli, romelic miwaze mdgradi wylis perpendikularulad vardeba, gravitaciis kanons, anu centriskenul Zalas emorCileba. mecnier-okultists sxvaTa Soris Semdegi sawinaaRmdego azrebis gamotana SeuZlia:

1. planetur moZraobaSi wris traeqtoria SeuZlebelia. 2. kepleris mesame kanonSi moyvanili mosazreba, kerZod:

`nebismieri ori planetis drois periodebis kvadratebi erTmaneTis mimarT iseve proporciulia, rogorc mzemde maTi saSualo manZilebis kubebi~ - planetebis eqscentrisitetebSi dasaSvebi meryeobis saintereso movlenas warmoSobs. imis gamo, rom zemoT xsenebuli Zalebi Tavisi bunebiT ucvleli rCeba, es SeiZleba gamowveuli iyos, rogorc mecnieri-okultisti amtkicebs, `gareSe mizezis CareviT~.

3. gravitaciis, anu `vardnis~, fenomeni arsebobs mxolod rogorc urTierTsawinaaRmdego ZalTa Sedegi. rogorc izolirebuli Zala igi mxolod mentaluri analizis, anu gancalkevebis, Sedegad SeiZleba ganvixiloT. ufro metic, mecnieri-okultisti amtkicebs, rom planetebi, atomebi an materiis nawilakebi erTmaneTs swor xazebad ki ar izidaven, romlebic maTs centrebs aerTebs, aramed Zalis zemoqmedebiT erTmaneTis mimarT moZraoben spiralTa wrewirebis gaswvriv, romlebic yoveli maTganis centris Tavze mTavrdeba. igi agreTve amtkicebs, rom moqcevis mier gamowveuli talRa mizidulobis Sedegi ar aris. igi xsnis, rom es yvelaferi warmoadgens gamomwyvdeul da Tavisufal ZalTa urTierTsawinaaRmdego moqmedebaTa Sedegs, moCvenebiTi antagonizmis, sinamdvileSi ki naTesaobisa da harmoniis Sedegs. `fohati, Tavs mouyris ra kosmosuri materiis (bundovanebis) ramdenime Senadeds, da miscems ra impulss, mas kvlav moZraobaSi gauSvebs, aucilebel siTbos ganaviTarebs da nebas miscems Tavis axal zrdas mihyves~.

SekiTxva – ase unda gavigoT, rom fohati sinonimuria Zalisa, anu imisa, rac materiis Secvlil gamJRavnebas iwvevs? Tu es asea, gana SeiZleba iTqvas, rom fohati `nebas miscems Tavis axal

zrdas mihyves~, rodesac mTeli zrda SigniT myof Zalazea damokidebuli?

pasuxi – mTeli zrda SigniT mobinadre Zalazea damokidebuli, imitom rom aq, Cvens planze, mxolod es erTi Zala moqmedebs cnobierad. samyaroebrivi Zala ar SeiZleba cnobier Zalad iTvlebodes im gagebiT, romelSiac Cven sityva `cnobiereba~ gvesmis, radgan aseT SemTxvevaSi es Zala maSinve piradi RmerTi gaxdeboda. mxolod is, rac formaSia moTavsebuli da materiiT aris SezRuduli, acnobierebs Tavis Tavs am planze. am Tavisufali Zalis, anu nebis, Sesaxeb, romelic usazRvro da absoluturia, ar SeiZleba iTqvas, rom is gagebiT moqmedebs, magram igi cxovrebisa da yofierebis erTaderTi da mouSleli kanonia. amrigad, fohatis Sesaxeb laparakoben rogorc yvela gamomwyvdeuli Zalis sinTetikur mamoZravebel Zalaze da absolutur da ganpirobebul Zalebs Soris Suamavalze. es iseTive rgolia, rogoricaa manasi, rac SemaerTebel rgols warmoadgens fizikuri sxeulis uxeS materiasa da RvTaebriv manadas Soris, romelic (manada) acocxlebs mas, magram mas ar SeuZlia uxeS materiaze uSualod zemoqmedeba moaxdinos.

SekiTxva – Tu Zala aris erToba, anu erTeuli, romelic sxvadasxva gziT SeuzRudavad mJRavndeba, maSin Zneli gasagebia mtkiceba komentarebSi, rom `yovel atomSi arsebobs Sinagani da garegani siTbo~, anu latenturi da aqtiuri siTbo, anu dinamikuri da kinetikuri siTbo. siTbo materiis aRqmis fenomenia, romelic (materia) garkveuli saxiT moiyvaneba moqmedebaSi. maSasadame, siTbo fizikur planze mxolod da mxolod materiaa moZraobaSi. Tuki arsebobs siTbo ufro Rrma da okulturi gagebiT, vidre fizikuri siTbo, igi unda aRiqvebodes raRac ufro maRali da ufro Rrma grZnobebiT – misi moqmedebis Sedegad im planze, romelzedac es siTbo mJRavndeba. aseTi aRqmisTvis sami pirobaa saWiro: moqmedebaSi momyvani Zala, forma, romelic moqmedebaSi moiyvaneba, da is, rac formas moZraobaSi aRiqvams. terminebi `latenturi~, `potencialuri~ an `dinamikuri~ siTbo arasworad aris gamoyenebuli, radgan siTbo, imyofeba igi cnobierebis pirvel Tu meSvide planze, aris materiis, anu substanciis, aRqma moZraobaSi. warmoadgens Tu ara zemoT

moyvanil mtkicebasa da `saidumlo doqtrinis~ swavlebas Soris Seusabamoba moCvenebiTs, Tu igi namdvilad arsebobs?

pasuxi – ratom unda iyos siTbo nebismier sxva planze materiis an substanciis aRqma moZraobaSi? ratom unda daTanxmdes okultisti imas, rom siTbos pirobas warmoadgens arseboba (1) moqmedebaSi momyvani Zalebisa; (2) formisa, romelic moqmedebaSi moiyvaneba; (3) imisa, rac formas aRiqvams moZraobaSi? imis gamo, rom moZraobis dros dabali planebidan maRali planebisken mravalgvarovneba sul ufro erTgvarovneba xdeba, meSvide planze forma gaqreba, moZraobaSi mosayvani aRaraferi darCeba, momqmedi Zala ganmartoebul CinebulebaSi darCeba, rom mxolod Tavisi Tavi aRiqvas; anu, spenseris eniT Tu vityviT, es Zala gaxdeba `rogorc subieqti, aseve obieqti, aRmqmeli da aRqmuli~. gamoyenebuli terminebi erTmaneTs ar ewinaaRmdegeba, magram arsebobs simboloebi, romlebic fizikidan aris nasesxebi im mizniT, rom okulturi moqmedebebi da procesebi ufro gasagebi gaxdes imisTvis, visac es mecniereba aqvs Seswavlili. sinamdvileSi siTbosa da Zalis yoveli gansazRvra erT-erT princips Seesabameba adamianSi. `siTburi centrebi~, fizikuri TvalsazrisiT, nulovani wertilebi iqnebian, radgan isini sulierebi arian. sityva `aRqma~ arc Tu ise zustia, ukeTesi iqneboda sityva `SegrZneba~ gvexmara. fohati kanonis agentia, misi warmomadgenelia, manasa-putrebis warmomadgenelia, romelTa erTobliobac maradiul gonierebas warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – globusis pralaiaSi gadasvlis dros rCeba Tu ara igi Tavis adgilze, anu ganagrZobs Tu ara igi planetaTa rigis nawilad yofnas da Sesabamisi mdgomareobis dakavebas sxva globusebis mimarT? globusis pralaiaSi gadasvlis dros TamaSobs Tu ara raime rols siTbos meSveobiT gancalkeveba?

pasuxi – es `ezoterikul budizmSi~ aixsneba. rodesac planetaTa rigis globusi `dabnelebas~ iwyebs, yoveli Tviseba, siTbos CaTvliT, tovebs mas da rCeba in status quo1, rogorc `mZinare mzeTunaxavi~, iqamde, sanam fohati, `momajadoebeli princi~, mas kocniT ar gaaRviZebs.

1 arsebul mdgomareobaSi (laT.)

SkiTxva – Zeebze naTqvamia, rom isini calkevdebian da ifantebian. es moqmedeba `diadi dRis~ dasasruls `materiis wiaRSi~ dabrunebis sawinaaRmdegoa. exeba Tu ara es gancalkeveba da gafantva samyaroSi gafantuli samyaroebrivi nivTierebidan globusis formirebas an, sxva sityvebiT, pralaiadan warmoSobas?

pasuxi – gancalkeveba da gafantva nitiapralaias (mudmiv da uxilav cvlilebebs, romlebsac atomebi ganicdian) exeba. es aris maradiuli da ucvleli pralaia, romelic im droidan grZeldeba, rogorc ki globusebi da diferencirebuli materia gaCnda. es ubralod atomuri cvlilebebia.

SekiTxva – ras niSnavs sityvebi `TavisTavad da Tavisi gulebiT gaiSlebian da viwrovdebian~, da rogor davukavSiroT es Slokas ukanasknel striqons: `isini usazRvroebas iteven~?

pasuxi – es ukve iyo axsnili. TviT maTTvis damaxasiaTebeli da maTSi myofo Zalis saSualebiT isini cdiloben erTian universalur, anu Tavisufal, Zalas koleqtiurad SeuerTdnen, anu `usazRvroeba daition~, radgan swored es Tavisufali Zalaa usazRvroeba.

SekiTxva – ra damokidebulebaa eleqtrobasa da fizikur an cxovelur magnetizmsa da hipnotizms Soris?

pasuxi – Tu eleqtrobaSi vigulisxmebT mecnierebas, romelic am planze viTardeba, agreTve eleqtruli denis movlenebsa da kanonebs maTi mravalricxovani dasaxelebebiT, maSin me gipasuxebT, rom araviTari damokidebuleba ar aris. magram, Tu mxedvelobaSi is eleqtroba gaqvT, romelsac Cven fohatiurs an Sidakosmosurs vuwodebT, maSin vityvi, rom yvela es movlena maszea dafuZnebuli.

sxadoma 10 (stansa 4 Sl. 1-6)

sxdoma Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1889w. 14 marts b-n u. kingslendis TavmjdomareobiT.

stansa 4 Sloka (1) usmineT, Tqven, dedmiwis Zeebo, Tqvens moZRvar-cecxlis Zeebs. SeicneT, ar aris arc pirveli, arc ukanaskneli; radganac yvelaferi erTiani ricxvia, araricxvidan gamosuli.

SekiTxva – warmoadgenen Tu ara cecxlis Zeebi mesame logosis sxivebs?

pasuxi – sxivebi cecxlovani nislis Zeebia, romlebic mesame qmnilebis, anu logosis, mier warmoiSvnen. mexuTe rasis da qverasebis cecxlis namdvili Zeebi ubralod ase imitom iwodebian, rom isini Tavisi sibrZniT ekuTvnian RvTaebrivi `cecxlovani nislis Zeebis~, planeturi koganebidan, anu angelozebidan, umaRles ierarqias, an maTTan axlos arian. magram cecxlis Zeebi, romlebic aq Ddedamiwis Zeebs mimarTaven, mocemul SemTxvevaSi mefe-damrigeblebs warmoadgenen, romlebic Casaxuli kacobriobis swavlebisaTvis dedamiwaze gansxeuldnen. rogorc `mefeebi~ isini ganekuTvnebian RvTaebriv dinastiebs, romelTa tradicia, anu mowmobebi, ama Tu im saxiT, TiToeulma erma daicva: indoeTma, qaldeam, egviptem, homerosis saberZneTma da a.S. `cecxlovani nislis Zeebi~ winaT ierofantebsac (Zvel droSi umaRlesi adeptebi. ezoterikuli saidumloebebisa da doqtrinebis amxsnelebi) erqvaT. isini, ra Tqma unda, mesame logosis warmonaSobni arian. es cecxlovani koganebia, anu angelozebi, eTeruli angelozebi, haeris, wylis angelozebi da dedamiwis angelozebi. Svidi dabali sefiroti (RvTaebis emanacia) dedamiwis angelozebia, romlebic Svidi elementis Svid ierarqias Seesebamebian. am elementebidan xuTi cnobilia, ori ki ucnobia.

SekiTxva – Seesabamebian Tu ara isini rasebs?

pasuxi – diax, Seesabamebian. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi sad unda yofiliyvnen inteleqtualuri rasebi, tviniTa da azrovnebis unariT aRWurvilni, rom ar yofiliyvnen es ierarqiebi, romlebic maTSi xorcieldebodnen?

SekiTxva – riT gansxvavdebian es gansxvavebuli ierarqiebi?

pasuxi – sinamdvileSi es cecxlebi dayofilia mxolod rogorc sulebi da monadebi (gaerTianebuli triadebi – atma-budhi-manasi) imisTvis, vinc materiis safarvlis, anu iluziis, gamWol xedavs. is, visac okultistad yofna surs, danarCeni qmnilebis an ara-qmnilebisagan ar unda gamoyos arc Tavisi Tavi, arc sxva nebismieri ram imitom, rom rogorc ki uRirsobis WurWelsac ki gamoeyofa, igi ver SeZlebs Rirsebis WurWels SeuerTdes. igi sakuTar Tavze unda fiqrobdes rogorc raRaca usasrulod pataraze, calke atomzec ki ara, aramed rogorc samyaros atomTa nawilze mTlianobaSi, rogorc iluziaze, romelic amosunTqvis msgavsad qreba da araviTar kvals ar tovebs. rogorc iluzia Cven sxvadasxva calkeuli sxeulebi varT, niRbebiT vcxovrobT, riTac maiam mogvamaraga. nuTu ufleba gvaqvs Cvens sxeulSi erTi atomi mainc sakuTrad CavTvaloT? yvelaferi, umaRlesi sulidan umcires nawilakamde, mTlianis nawilia, yovel SemTxvevaSi rgolia. gatexeT erTi rgoli, da mTliani ar iqneba; magram es SeuZlebelia. umaRlesi sulis sferodan yvelaze ufro mkvriv materiamde daSvebasTan erTad gamtarebi sul ufro da ufro uxeSebi xdeba. amitom yoveli nabijis Semdeg qvemoT da Signidan gareT CvenSi gankerZoebis grZnoba sul ufro da ufro viTardeba. magram es iluziaa, radgan, nebismieri ori adamianuri arseba marTlac rom yofiliyo erTmaneTisgan sruliad gankerZoebuli, saerTod ver SesZlebdnen erTmaneTTan dakavSirebas da erTmaneTis gagebas. asevea ierarqiebTan mimarTebaSic. ra saWiroa Cvens gonebaSi maTi klasebad dayofa? es garCevis mizniT keTdeba mxolod praqtikul okultizmSi, romelic gamoyenebiTi metafizikis dabal formas warmoadgens. Tu ierarqiebis dayofa iluziis am planze gsurT, maSin mxolod imis Tqma SemiZlia, rom am ierarqiebs Soris gansxvavebaTa iseTive ufskrulia, rogorc samyaros `principebs~ Soris, anu, Tu gnebavT,

adamianis `principebs~ Soris, da bacilis imave `principebs~ Soris. `bhagavad gitaSi~ aris adgili (T. 8), sadac kriSna, Tu simbolurad da ezoterikulad gamovxatavT, ambobs: `me migiTiTeb droze (pirobebi)... roca (da romelTa arsebobis drosac) RvTismosavi adamianebi wasvlis (am cxovrebidan) dros aRarasodes brundebian (rom kvlav daibadon) an brundebian (rom kvlav gansxeuldnen). cecxli, ali, dRe, mzardi mTvare, naTeli (bednieri) ori kvira, CrdiloeTis nabuniaobis eqvsi Tve, am dros wasvlisas (sikvdili)..., isini, vinc brahmani ician (iogebi), brahmanTan midian. kvamli, Rame, mTvaris mileva (bneli ori kvira), samxreTis nabuniaobis eqvsi Tve (roca kvdebian), am dReebSi RvTismosavebi mTvaris SuqTan (anu savane, aseve astraluri sinaTle) midian da brundebian (kvlav ibadebian)~.

SekiTxva – rogor axsniT am nawyvets?

pasuxi – es niSnavs, rom RvTismosavi adamianebi or klasad iyofian: isini, vinc nirvanas aRweven dedamiwaze da an miiReben mas, an uars amboben masze (magram ukve aRarasodes ibadebian am maha-kalpaSi, anu brahmas saukuneSi); da isini, romlebic ver aRweven am netarebis mdgomareobas, romelsac budam da sxvebma miaRwies. `cecxli, ali, dRe, naTeli ori kvira~ - es yvelaferi umaRlesi absoluturi RvTaebis simboloebia. isini, romlebic absoluturi siwmindis am mdgomareobaSi kvdebian, brahmasTan midian, anu mokSaze, anu nirvanaze, ufleba aqvT. meore mxriv, `kvamli, Rame, bneli ori kvira~ da a.S. – es yvelaferi materiis, umecrebis sibnelis simboloebia. isini, romlebic arasruli ganwmendis aseT mdgomareobaSi kvdebian, ra Tqma unda, kvlav unda daibadon. mxolod erTsaxovan, absoluturad ganwmendil da minarevebis gareSe suls SeuZlia RvTaebasTan gaerTianeba da brahmasTan wasvla.

Sloka (2) SeicneT is, rac Cven, pirvelarsebul Svididan gamosulebma, Cven, maradiswina cecxlis mier Sobilebma, Cveni mamebisgan gavigeT.

`pirvelni pirvelarsebulni esaa umaRlesi arsebebi yofierebis kibeze. `pirvelarsebulebi~ warmoiSobian ded-mamisgan~.

SekiTxva – mesame logosi sinonimuria Tu ara ded-mamisa?

pasuxi – Svidni pirveli pirvelarsebuli mesame logosisgan aris dabadebuli. es xdeba manmade, sanam igi dedad diferencirdeba da pirvelarsebuli sufTa materia xdeba mis pirvel umanko arsSi, ded-mamis potencialobiT. deda ubiwo deda mxolod maSin xdeba, rodesac umaRlesi sulisa da materiis diferenciacia dasrulebulia. winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi amgvari gansazRvra ar iqneboda. sufTa umaRles sulze ar amboben rogorc ubiwoze, imitom rom misi sxvagvarad yofna SeuZlebelia. amrigad, deda sufTa materias manamde warmoadgens, sanam igi kosmosiswina fohatis sunTqvis qveS ar diferencirdeba da `ubiwo deda~ xdeba `Zisa~, anu gamJRavnebuli samyarosi formaSi. swored samyaro iwyebs ierarqias, romelic kacobriobiT an adamianiT mTavrdeba.

Sloka (3) sinaTlis sxivmosilebidan – maradiuli wyvdiadis sxividan – sivrceSi kvlav gamoRviZebuli energiebi (dhian-koganebi) gaeSurnen: kvercxidan mTliani, eqvsi da xuTi; Semdeg sami, erTi, oTxi, erTi, xuTi – orjer Svidi, yvelafris jami. da esaa arsebi, alebi, dawyebebi, mSeneblebi, ricxvebi, arupa (formis armqoneni), rupa (sxeulebis mqoneni) da Zala an RvTaebrivi adamiani – yvelafris jami. da RvTaebrivi adamianisgan warmoiSva formebi, naperwklebi, wminda cxovelebi da farul mamaTa mauwyeblebi (pitrisebi), romlebic uwmindes gaoTxebulSi arian moTavsebuli.

SekiTxva – am ricxvebs xom ar agvixsnidiT da maTs mniSvnelobebs mogvcemdiT?

pasuxi – rogorc komentarebSia naTqvami, es procesi Cven jer ar gvexeba, sxva sityvebiT, amis gamoqveyneba jer SeuZlebelia. magram zogierT rameze gadakvriT Tqma SeiZleba. ravinebi wres

(anu, rogorc zogierTebi amboben, pirvel wertils masSi) eCodas, erTians an ein-sofas uwodeben. dabal, meoTxe, planze igi adam kadmoni (ebr. prototipuri adamiani; kacobrioba, `zeciuri adamiani~, romelic ucodvelia) xdeba, Svidi gamJRavnebuli da aTi gaumJRavnebeli, anu sefirotebis (RvTaebis aTi emanaciis) mTliani xe. Sesabamisad, sefirotebi igivea, rac eloqimi (ebr. emanirebuli aqtiuri da pasiuri arsi). igi ebraul enaze dawerilia rogorc alqimi, da xuTi asosgan Sedgeba; es asoebi maTs ricxobriv saxeSi wris garSemoa ganlagebuli da maTi nebismieri saxiT gadasxvafereba SeiZleba, ris gakeTebac SeuZlebeli iqneboda, wris nacvlad sxva nebismieri geometriuli figura rom yofiliyo. wre usasruloa: mas arc dasawyisi aqvs, arc dasasruli. amJamad praqtikuli kabala sam nawilad, anu meTodad, aris dayofili, romlebidanac mesames ewodeba Temura an `cvlileba~. garkveuli wesebis Sesabamisad erTi aso an ricxvi meoreTi icvleba. kabalis anbani or tol nawilad aris gayofili, da yoveli aso an ricxvi erTi nawilidan Seesabameba garkveul asos an ricxvs meore nawilidan. Tu asoebs rig-rigobiT SevcvliT, maSin ocdaori gardaqmna an Sesabamisoba SeiZleba miviRoT. am process cirufomi hqvia. komentarebSi Slokis(3) mimarT Camotanili SeniSvnebi ganmartavs, Tu ra maqvs mxedvelobaSi.

Sloka (4) is iyo laSqari xmisa, Svidis RvTaebrivi dedisa. Svidis naperwklebi eqvemdebarebian Svididan pirvels, meores mesames, meoTxes, mexuTes, meeqvses da meSvides da maTi msaxuria. isini (naperwklebi) iwodebian sferoebad, samkuTxedebad, kubebad, wrfeebad da meyalibeebad; radgan ase uWiravs Tavi maradiul nidanas – OI-HA-HOU (Oeaohoo-s gardaqmna).

SekiTxva – ra igulisxmeba komentarebSi `sasicocxlo qarebi~?

pasuxi – sasicocxlo qarebi CasunTqvisa da amosunTqvis sxvadasxva saxeebia, romelTa Sedegadac sxeulis polaroba da cnobierebis mdgomareoba icvleba. es iogas praqtikaa, magram

egzoterikul literaturasTan iogas Sesaxeb frTxilad iyaviT. nu aRiqvamT mas sityvasityviT. misTvis gasaRebia saWiro.

SekiTxva – rogoria winadadebis mniSvneloba, romelic iwyeba sityviT `naperwklebi...~?

pasuxi – naperwklebi niSnavs sxivebs rogorc dabali gonierebisTvis, aseve adamianis naperwklebisTvis an manadebisTvis. es wres da ricxvebs exeba da sityvebis tolmniSvnelovania imis Sesaxeb, rom cifrebs 3 1 4 1 5 wrewirTan da wris diametrTan aqvs damokidebuleba.

SekiTxva – ratom uwodeben sarasvatis (metyvelebis qalRmerTs) agreTve ezoterikuli sibrZnis qalRmerTs? Tu axsna sityva `logosis~ mniSvnelobaSia, maS ratom arsebobs gansxvaveba umoZrao gonebasa da moZrav metyvelebas Soris? goneba mahatis tolmniSvnelovania Tu dabali manasisa?

pasuxi – es sakmaod rTuli sakiTxia. indusuri qalRmerTi sarasvati igivea, rac vak, visi saxelic niSnavs `metyvelebas~ da romelic ezoterikulad qalis logoss warmoadgens. meore sakiTxi Zalian Znelad warmoidgineba. vfiqrob, es imitom, rom logoss, anu sityvas, ewodeba ganxorcielebuli sibrZne, `sinaTle, romelic wyvdiadSi brwyinavs~. gansxvaveba arsebobs uZrav, anu maradiul da ucvlel yvelafersa, da moZrav metyvelebas, anu logoss, anu periodulsa da gamJRavnebuls Soris. es SeiZleba exebodes samyaroebrivsa da individualur gonebas, mahats an umaRles manass da dabal kama-manass an tvinis gonebasac ki. radgan is, rac survils (instiqtur impulss dabalSi) warmoadgens, umaRlesSi azri xdeba. pirveli moqmedebebSi poulobs asaxvas, ukanaskneli ki – sityvebSi. ezoterikulad azri ufro pasuxismgebeli da dasasjelia, vidre moqmedeba. egzoterikulad ki piriqiT. Sesabamisad, Cveulebrivi adamianuri kanoniT Tavdasxma ufro mkacrad isjeba, vidre azri, anu ganzraxva, anu muqara, maSin roca karmulad saqme piriqiT mdgomareobs.

SekiTxva – platoni ambobs, rom `RmerTi aris geometri~, magram, vinaidan sakuTari RmerTi ar arsebobs, rogor xorcieldeba Seqmnis procesi wertilebiT, wrfeebiT, samkuTxedebiT, kubebiT,

wreebiTa da, bolos, sferoebiT? da, rodesac sfero statikuri mdgomareobidan gamodis, ra saxiT mohyavs misTvis damaxasiaTebel Zalas igi brunvaSi?

pasuxi – sityva `RmerTi~, Tuki igi Seucnobad RvTaebas an absoluts ar exeba, romelzedac SeuZlebelia ifiqro rogorc raime moqmedebebis Semsrulebelze, Zvel filosofiur swavlebebSi yovelTvis niSnavda bunebaSi momuSave da moazrovne ZalTa erTobliobas. sityva `tye~ mxolobiT ricxvSia, miuxedavad amisa igi asaxavs aTasobiT da milionobiTac ki sxvadasxva xeze gagebas. materialistebs SeuZliaT Tqvan `buneba~ an, ufro kargad, `kanoni-geometri~, Tu maT ase ufro metad moswonT. magram platonis dros saSualo mkiTxveli albaT ver gaigebda gansxvavebas maTs metafizikur da namdvil mniSvnelobas Soris. magram dadgena WeSmaritebisa imis Sesaxeb, rom buneba aris `geometri~, advilia. ai magaliTi: siTbo materiis nawilakTa moZraobis saxecvlilebaa. fizikisa da meqanikis kanoni ambobs, rom nawilakebi an sxeulebi Tavisufal moZraobaSi sferul formas iZenen. da es sworia rogorc planetis globusisTvis, aseve wvimis wveTisTvis. SexedeT Tovlis fifqebs, romlebic, kristalebis garda, bunebaSi arsebul yvela geometriul formas giCvenebT. rogorc ki moZraoba wydeba, sferuli forma icvleba, anu, rogorc tindali gveubneba, brtyel wveTad iqceva, Semdeg wveTi qmnis tolgverda samkuTxeds, eqvskuTxeds da a.S. rodesac mecnieri akvirdeboda, Tu yinulis nawilakebi did xorgSi rogor imsxvreva, romelSiac igi siTbur sxivebs atarebda, man naxa, rom pirveli forma, romelsac nawilakebi iRebda, iyo samkuTxedi an piramida, Semdeg kubi da bolos, eqvskuTxedi da a.S. amgvarad, Tanamedrove fizikac ki adasturebs da xsnis platonis varaudebs.

SekiTxva – rodesac tindalma yinulis didi naWeri aiRo da masze da mis gavliT ekranze mZlavri sxivi mimarTa, ekranze gvimrisa da sxva mcenareTa moxazulobebi gamoCnda. ra aris amis mizezi?

pasuxi – es SekiTxva upirveles yovlisa profesor tindals unda mivceT, romelic mecnierul axsnas mogvcemda, da, SesaZloa, man es ukve gaakeTa. okultizmi ki amas axsnida imiT, rom sxivi daexmara momaval gvimrebisa da sxva mcenareTa astraluri formebi daenaxa, an imiT, rom yinulma namdvili gvimrebisa da

mcenareTa moxazulobebi Seinaxa, romlebic masSi darCa. yinuli didi grZneulia, da misi okulturi Tvisebebi iseve naklebadaa cnobili, rogorc eTeris Tvisebebi. okulturad igi astralur sinaTlesTan aris dakavSirebuli da garkveul pirobebSi garkveuli saxeebi SeuZlia gamosaxos uxilavi astraluri samyarodan – zustad iseve, rogorc SeiZleba sinaTle da SuqmgrZnobiare firfita vaiZuloT asaxos varskvlavebi, romelTa danaxvac teleskopiTac ki SeuZlebelia. gamocdili iogebisTvis es kargad aris cnobili, romlebic (iogebi) bodrinaThisa da himalaebis marad TovlSi cxovroben. yovel SemTxvevaSi, yinuls gaaCnia unari im sagnebis gamosaxulebebi Seinaxos, romlebic garkveul sinaTlis pirobebSi mis zedapirze aRibeWda, da es uxilavi saxeebi iqamde inaxeba, sanam yinuli ar gadneba. umaRlesi xarisxis folads aseTive Tvisebebi aqvs, Tumca es Tvisebebi naklebad okulturi xasiaTisaa. Tu yinulis zedapirs SevxedavT, es formebi ar Cans. magram rodesac yinulze siTboTi vimoqmedebT, da igi dneba, Cven im ZalebTan da sagnebTan gvaqvs saqme, romlebic masze aRibeWda, da SevniSnavT, rom igi am gamosaxulebebs da formebs aireklavs. es mxolod da mxolod erTi rgolia, romelsac meoresTan mihyavs. ra Tqma unda, es ar aris Tanamedrove mecniereba, magram mainc faqti da WeSmaritebaa.

SekiTxva –warmoadgens Tu ara ricxvebi da geometriuli figurebi RvTaebrivi gonierebis moqmedebis kanonebs adamianis cnobierebisTvis?

pasuxi – ueWvelad. evolucia, anu formaTwarmoqmna, SemTxveviTi ar aris, iseve, rogorc ar SeiZleba e.w. anomaluri movlenebi, anu kosmosuri fenomenebi, SemTxveviTi garemoebebis Sedegad moxdes.

Sloka (5) `wyvdiadi~, usazRvroeba an ara-ricxvi, adi-nidana, svabhavat O (X, ucnobi raodenoba): 1 adi-sanat, ricxvi, radgan igi erTia 2 sityvis, svabhavatis, ricxvis xma, radgan igi erTi da

cxraa 3 `kvadrati formis gareSe~ (arupa) da es sami, O-s (usazRvro wre) SigniT moTavsebuli, aris dafaruli gaoTxebuli; da aTi aris arupa (subieqturi, formis armqone) samyaro; Semdeg modian `Zeebi~, Svidi meomari, erTi – merve ganzea darCenili, da misi sunTqva aris Suqis momcemi (bhaskara).

SekiTxva - `erTi ukugdebuli aris Cveni sistemis mze~. arsebobs Tu ara imis astrologiuri axsna, rom martanda ukugdebulia?

pasuxi – mze Tavis nebismier planetaze ufrosia, magram mTvareze axalgazrdaa. is, rom igi `ukugdebulia~, niSnavs, rom, rodesac sxeulebma an planetebma mzis sxivebis, magnituri gamosxivebis an siTbos da gansakuTrebiT misi magnituri mizidulobis daxmarebiT Camoyalibeba daiwyes, saWiro iyo misi SeCereba, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi igi ufro axalgazrda sxeulebs STanTqavda, saturnis msgavsad, romelic, legendis Tanaxmad, Tavis STamomavlobas ase moeqca. es imas ki ar niSnavs, rom, rogorc Tanamedrove mecniereba varaudobs, yvela planeta mzes gamoeyo, aramed niSnavs mxolod imas, rom mzis sxivebis qveS isini izrdebian. aditi aris mudam yvelafris gamawonasworebeli deda-buneba sufTa sulier da subieqtur planze. igi aris SaqTi, qaluri energia, anu gamanayofierebeli umaRlesi sulis potencialoba, da swored is akontrolebs Zeebis qcevebs, romlebic mis wiaRSi arian dabadebulni. veduri alegoria Rrma fiqrebs aRZravs.

SekiTxva – iyo Tu ara Cvens mzis sistemaSi planetebi jer kometebi, Semdeg ki mzeebi?

pasuxi – isini mzeebi ki ar iyo Cvens, anu maTs axlandel, mzis sistemaSi, aramed kometebi iyo sivrceSi. yvelam rogorc usasrulo kosmosSi moxetialem daiwyo cxovreba. isini gamoeyvnen ukve momzadebuli masalis, irmis naxtomis (romelic sxva araferia, Tu ara savsebiT ganviTarebuli samyaroebrivi nivTiereba, maSin roca sxva danarCeni sivrceSi mxolod nedli masalaa, CvenTvis jer

uxilavi), saerTo sacavs, Semdeg, xangrZliv mogzaurobaSi gaemarTnen, sacxovreblad damyardnen iq, sadac maTTvis fohatis mier pirobebi momzadda, da TandaTan mzeebad iqcnen. amis Semdeg pralaias dadgomisas yoveli mze milion natexad gaifanta. am natexebidan TiToeuli kosmosSi mogzaurobda da brunavda, rogorc Tovlis gunda, axal masalas agrovebda manamade, sanam, emorCileboda ra mizidulobisa da ganzidvis kanonebs, igi ar SeCerda da planeta ar gaxda Cvens mzis sistemaSi, rogorc sxva natexebi gaxdnen planetebi sxva mzis sistemebSi, romlebic Cveni teleskopebisTvis miuwvdomelia. mzis pralaiis Semdeg misi namsxvrevebi zustad aseTive planetebi gaxdebian. odesRac, brahmas saukunis dasawyisSi, mze kometa iyo. Semdeg man Tavisi axlandeli mdgomareoba daikava, romlidanac igi afeTqebis Semdeg sxvadasxva mxares gaifanteba, da misi atomebi kosmosSi ibrunebs eonebis (drois periodebi) ganmavlobaSi, rogorc yvela sxva kometa da meteori, iqamde, sanam yoveli maTgani, karmas mimyoli, ori Zalis morevSi ar moxvdeba da romelime umaRles da ukeTes sistemaSi ar gamagrdeba. amgvarad, mze Tavis SvilebSi icxovrebs, rogorc mSoblebis nawilaki maTs STamomavlebSi cxovrobs. dadgeba dro, da is anarekli mzisa, romelsac Cven vxedavT, WeSmariti mzis saxidan Camovardeba, rogorc saburveli. verc erTi mokvdavi amas ver dainaxavs, radgan mokvdavis Tvalebi mis elvarebas ver gauZlebs. es saburveli rom erTi wamiTac agvewia, mzis sistemis yvela planeta uceb daiwveboda bolomde, rogorc kapilas (Zveli drois didi brZeni, sanqhias filosofiis Semqmneli) mzeriT mefe sagaras samoci aTasi vaJi daiferfla.

Sloka (6) Semdeg meore Svidi, romlebic aris lipiki (sanskr. ciuri rekordistebi, `mwerlebi~, isini, vinc dedamiwaze adamianis mier naTqvams an Cadenils aRricxaven. karmis Suamavlebi), samis (sityva, xma da suli) mier warmoSobilni. ukugdebuli Ze erTia. `mzis Zeebi~ uTvalavia.

SekiTxva – ra damokidebulebaSi arian lipikiebi, `meore Svidi~, `pirvelarsebul SvidTan~ da pirvel `farul gaoTxebulTan~?

pasuxi – Tu fiqrobT, rom vinmes, garda umaRlesi gandobilebisa, SeuZlia amis damakmayofileblad axsna, Tqven Zalian cdebiT. am damokidebulebis ukeTesad gageba SeiZleba an, ufro sworad, darwmuneba SeiZleba imaSi, rom igi yovel gagebaze ufro maRlaa, im SemTxvevaSi, Tu jer adreuli saukuneebis qristianobis gnostikur sistemebs SeiswavliT, dawyebuli simon magidan da damTavrebuli maT Soris ufro maRali da keTilSobiliT, e.w. pistissofiiT. yvela es sistema aRmosavleTSia nasesxebi. imas, rasac Cven `pirvelarsebul Svids~ da `meore Svids~ vuwodebT, simon magi uwodebs eonebs, sizigiis pirvelad, meorad da mesame rigebs. es aris erTi mdgomareobidan meoreSi TandaTan gardamavali emanaciebi, romlebic sul ufro da ufro dabla eSveba materiaSi im pirvelSobili principidan, romelsac igi cecxls uwodebs, Cven ki svabhavas vuwodebT. am cecxlis ukan iseve, rogorc CvenTan, dgas gamJRavnebuli, magram mdumare RvTaeba, romelic `mudam aris, iyo da iqneba~. modiT simon magis sistema Cvensas SevadaroT. avtoris mier misi Sromidan `Philosophumena~ citirebul nawyvetSi vkiTxulobT: `cecxlis~ (mesame logosis) am pirveli gamJRavnebuli principis mudmivi wonasworobidan da ukvdavebidan, romlis (cecxlis) ucvlelobac aqtiurobas ar gamoricxavs, radgan meores misgan inteleqti da goniereba (mahati) aqvs micemuli, igi (cecxli) moqmedebis potencialobidan TviT moqmedebaze gadavida. evoluciis am rigis Sedegad eqvsi arseba, anu emanacia, Seiqmna usasrulo Zalidan. isini sizigiebis mier iqnen warmoSobilni, anu cecxlis alidan gamosxivdnen ori or-orjer: principebidan erTi aqtiuri, meore – pasiuri~. simonma mas nousi (umaRlesi goniereba an suli) da epinoia (azri, Canafiqri, aRmoCena) daarqva, rac aris umaRlesi suli da azri, founi da onoma, xma da saxeli, logismosi da entumezisi, azrovneba da asaxva. ganvagrZobT kiTxvas: `am eqvsi pirveladi arsebidan TiToeulSi usasrulo Zala Tavis sisavseSi iyo, magram igi maTSi potenciur SesaZleblobaSi imyofeboda, da ara moqmedebaSi. saWiro iyo am Zalis maTSi ganmtkiceba gamosaxulebis (paradigmas) saSualebiT imitom, rom am Zalas SesZleboda mTeli Tavisi arsiT, saTnoebiT, CinebulebiT da qmediTobiT gamovlena, radgan mxolod am SemTxvevaSi SeeZlo mas mamis Zalis msgavsi gamxdariyo, usasrulosi da maradiulisa. da Tu, piriqiT, es

Zala SesabamisobaSi ar iqneboda moyvanili gamosaxulebis saSualebiT an misi meSveobiT, maSin potencialoba arasodes gaxdeboda Zala da moqmedebaSi ar moiyvaneboda; igi mouxmareblobis gamo dakarguli iqneboda, rogorc es emarTeba adamians, romelsac gramatikis an geometriisadmi midrekileba aqvs, magram masze ar muSaobs da codnas kargavs ise, TiTqos igi arasodes hqonia~. igi xsnis, rom es eonebi romel samyarosac ar unda exebodes, umaRles, saSualo Tu dabals, isini erTs warmoadgens, da mkvrivi materiis mdgomareobas gamoricxavs. es Zala maTs gareSe gamJRavnebebsa da warmoqmnil Sedegebs ganapirobebs, da ara maTs namdvil arss, romelic erTiania, anu maTs urTierTobebs, romlebic, rogorc simoni ambobs, marad gardauvali kanonebiT myardeba. pirveli, meore, mesame, anu pirvelarsebuli Svidi, anu lipikiebi – yvela erTia. rodesac isini erTi planidan meoreze emanireben, yvelaferi meordeba: `rogorc maRlaa, isevea dablac~. yvela isini materiisa da simkvrivis mixedviT arian diferencirebulni, da ara Tvisebebis mixedviT; igive Tvisebebi eSveba bolo planze, Cvens sakuTarze. am planze adamians igive potencialoba aqvs micemuli. magram man ar icis, rogor SeiZleba misi ganviTareba, rogorc mas umaRlesi dhian-koganebi aviTareben. eonebis ierarqiebSi simoni sam wyvils gamoyofs, yovelSi or-ors, meSvide ki warmoadgens meoTxes, romelic erTi planidan meoreze eSveba. lipikiebi mahatidan gamodian, da kabalaSi oTxi angelozi-mematiane hqviaT, indoeTSi ki – oTxi maharaja. isini adamianis yovel azrsa da yovel saqmes iweren. wminda ioane Tavis `gamocxadebebSi~ maTs Canawers cxovrebis wigns uwodebs. maT uSualo damokidebuleba aqvT karmasTan da imasTan, rasac qristianebi gankiTxvis dRes uwodeben. aRmosavleTSi mas uwodeben dRes maha-manvantaris Semdeg an `dae-iyos-CvenTan-dRe~ (Day-Be-With-Us). Semdeg yvelaferi erTiani xdeba, yvela individualoba erT mTlianSi Caedineba, amasTan yoveli maTganis cnobierebis SenarCunebiT. es aris WeSmaritad mistikuri swavleba. Semdeg ki is, rac CvenTvis axla araSegnebuls, anu Seucnobels, warmoadgens, absoluturi cnobiereba gaxdeba.

SekiTxva – ra damokidebuleba aqvT lipikiebs mahatTan?

pasuxi – isini dayofis Sedegebia. oTxi aRebulia SvideulTa Soris erT-erTidan, da es ukanaskneli mahatidan emanirebs. mahati Seefardeba simon magis cecxls, romelsac ideebis warmoSobisa da aRqmis idumali da gamJRavnebuli RvTaebrivi unari aqvs. es unari mocemul obieqtur samyaroSi moazrovne formebis meSveobiT mowmdeba, romlebsac Cven garSemo vxedavT imaSi, rasac qmnilebas vuwodebT. rogorc yvela sxva emanacia, isini `borblebia borblebSi~. lipikiebi im planze imyofebian, romelic globusTa Cveni mwkrivis plans Seesabameba.

SekiTxva – ra gansxvavebaa umaRles suls, xmasa da sityvas Soris?

pasuxi – garkveuli azriT igive, rac atmas, budhisa da manass Sorisaa. umaRlesi suli gamodis Seucnobadi wyvdiadidan, romlis saidumloSi Cawvdomac arc erT Cvengans ar SeuZlia. es suli – SegiZliaT mas uwodoT RvTis suli an pirvelarsebuli substancia – sarkiseburad irekleba sivrcis wylebSi, anu momavali samyaros jer kidev aradiferencirebul materiaSi, da amiT erTgvarovan pirvelarsebul materiaSi diferenciaciis pirvel TrTolas warmoSobs. es aris xma, `sityvis~, anu pirveli gamJRavnebis, pioneri. da am xmidan emanirebs sityva, anu logosi, anu imis garkveuli da obieqturi gamosaxva, rac manamade idumali azris siRrmeebSi imyofeboda. is, rac sivrceSi sarkisebrad irekleba, mesame logosia. Cven aseve SegviZlia es sameba aseTi gagebebiT gamovxatoT: feri, bgera da ricxvi.

damateba sizmrebis Sesaxeb

sxdomebi Catarda londonSi lenZdaun roudis 17-Si 1888 w. 20 da 27 dekembers b-n t.b. harbotlis TavmjdomareobiT.

qvemomoyvanili warmoadgens ganzogadebas mecadineobebisa, romlebic mimdinareobda ramdenime kviris ganmavlobaSi, romlebic win uZRoda `Teosofiuri sazogadoebis blavatskaias loJis Sromebis~ momzadebas, rodesac `saidumlo doqtrinidan~ stansebis axsnebi regularulad Catarebuli mecadineobebis seriaSi iyo CarTuli.

SekiTxva – sizmrebis dros `principebidan~ romelia aqtiuri?

pasuxi – Cveulebriv sizmrebSi, romlebic realur sizmrebSi ar unda avurioT da rasac carieli xedvebi hqvia, aqtiur `princips~ kama warmoadgens. am `principSi~ piradi ego da survilebi imyofeba, romlebic Zilis dros dabali manasis mTvlemare mogonebebiT qaosuri aqtiurobisaken iRviZeben.

SekiTxva – ra aris `dabali manasi~?

pasuxi – Cveulebrivad mas cxovelur suls (Zveli ebraeli kabalistebis nefeSi) uwodeben. es aris sxivi, romelic umaRlesi manasis, anu ucvleli egos, mier emanirebs, da romelic im `princips~ warmoadgens, romelic adamianis gonebas ayalibebs, cxovelebSi ki instiqts, radgan cxovelebic xedaven sizmrebs. magram kamas da `cxoveluri sulis~ erToblivi moqmedeba sufTa meqanikuria. maTSi instiqtia aqtiuri, da ara goniereba. rodesac sxeuls sZinavs, isini eleqtrul signalebs sxvadasxva nervuli centrebidan meqanikurad iReben da ugzavnian maT. tvinze zemoqmedebas isini TiTqmis ar axdenen da mexsierebaSi mouwesrigeblad da araTanmimdevrulad inaxeba. gamoRviZebis dros es STabeWdilebebi TandaTan ifanteba, rogorc nebismieri wuTieri Crdili, romelsac mtkice da arsebiTi araferi aqvs. magram tvinis SenarCunebis unars am STbeWdilebebis registrireba da Senaxva im SemTxvevaSi SeuZlia, Tu maT sakmaod Rrma anabeWdi datoves. magram, rogorc wesi, Cveni mexsiereba mxolod wuTier da damaxinjebul STabeWdilebebs aregistrirebs, romlebsac tvini gaRviZebis momentSi iRebs. sizmrebis es aspeqti fiziologiisa da biologiis dargSi Tanamedrove SromebSi sakmaod didi xnis ganmavlobaSi Seiswavleboda da sakmaod sworad aRiwereba. adamianis aseTi sizmrebi bevriT ar gansxvavdeba cxovelebis sizmrebisgan. magram sinamdvileSi mecnierebisTvis

terra incognita1 aris umaRlesi egos WeSmariti xedvebi da gamocdileba. isinic sizmrebad iwodeba, magram maT ase ar unda vuwodebdeT, Tuki Zilis dros sxva xedvebs sxva saxels ar davarqmevT.

SekiTxva – riTi gansxvavdebian isini?

pasuxi – WeSmariti sizmrebis xasiaTisa da funqciebis gageba SeuZlebelia mokvdav adamianSi fizikuri sxeulisgan damoukidebeli ukvdavi egos arsebobis aRiarebis gareSe. Zilis dros sawolSi rCeba mxolod sxeulis gacocxlebuli forma, romlis damoukideblad azrovnebis unari sruliad paralizebulia. magram Tu CvenSi umaRles, anu mudmiv, egos vaRiarebT, romelic pirad `me~-Si ar unda avurioT, maSin naTeli gaxdeba, rom e.w. sizmrebi, romelTa mimarT adamianTa damokidebuleba iseTia, rogorc carieli fantaziebisadmi, sinamdvileSi calkeuli furclebia Sinagani adamianis cxovrebidan da gamocdilebidan, romelTa Sesaxebac bundovani mogonebebi gaRviZebis momentSi Cveni fizikuri mexsierebis mier met-naklebad maxinjdeba. mexsiereba meqanikurad itacebs Sinagani adamianis azrTa, danaxul movlenaTa da qcevaTa zogierT anabeWds adamianis sruli Tavisuflebis dros. imitom rom Cveni ego maSin iwyebs Tavis, sxeuli-cixisgan calke, cxovrebas, roca materiis borkilebisgan Tavisufldeba, anu fizikuri adamianis Zilis dros. swored es egoa namdvili moqmedi piri, TviTon adamiani, adamianis WeSmariti `me~. magram Zilis dros fizikur adamians ar SeuZlia grZnobdes an raimes acnobierebdes, radgan pirovneba – an gareSe adamiani misi tviniTa da azrovnebis aparatiT – TiTqmis mTlianad paralizebulia. SeiZleba namdvili ego patimars SevadaroT, fizikuri pirovneba ki – mis cixis zedamxedvels. roca cixis zedamxedveli iZinebs, patimari gaqcevas axerxebs an, ukidures SemTxvevaSi, Tavisi cixis kedlebidan gamodis. naxevrad mZinare mdgomareobaSi cixis zedamxedveli fanjaraSi gaixedavs, magram drodadro yvinTavs, da igi patimris danaxvas mxolod SigadaSig axerxebs. patimari ki aCrdiliviT mis win xan gaCndeba, xan isev gaqreba. magram ris SegrZneba SeuZlia da ra SeuZlia icodes Tavisi sameurveos namdvil moqmedebebze da gansakuTrebiT azrebze? 1 ucnobi miwa (laT.)

SekiTxva – gana erTis azrebi gavlenas ar axdens meoreze?

pasuxi – yovel SemTxvevaSi, Zilis dros ara, radgan WeSmariti ego ise ar fiqrobs, rogorc misi droebiTi warmavali pirovneba. sifxizlis dros umaRlesi egos azrebi da xma Tavis cixis zedamxedvelamde (fizikur adamianamde) an aRwevs an ar aRwevs, radgan es aris misi sindisis xma, magram rodesac mas sZinavs, egos xma aris mxolod da mxolod `xma mRaRadeblisa udabnosa Sina~. WeSmariti adamianis, anu ukvdavi individualobis, azrebSi warsulisa da momavlis suraTebi da xedvebi warmodgeba rogorc awmyo, da es azrebic Cveni subieqturi gamosaxulebebisgan gansxvavebiT, romlebic (gamosaxulebebi) Tavis tvinis moRvaweobiT aris warmoSobili, cocxali, namdvili realobaa. isini aranakleb realuria axla, vidre maSin, roca jer kidev ar iyo metyveleba, xmebiT gamoxatuli, roca azrebi sagnobrivebi iyo, da adamianisTvis aucilebeli ar iyo maTi metyvelebiT gamosaxva, radgan isini maSinve sxeuls iZendnen kriia-SaqTis ZaliT, im mistikuri ZaliT, romelic ideebs myisierad gardasaxavs xilul formebad, iseTive obieqturebad adreuli mesame rasis adamianisTvis, rogori obieqturebicaa xiluli obieqtebi CvenTvis.

SekiTxva - aseT SemTxvevaSi rogor xsnis ezoterikuli filosofia egos azrebis fragmentebis Cveni fizikuri mexsierebisTvis gadacemas – fragmentebisa, romelTa Sesaxebac igi mogonebebs inaxavs?

pasuxi – yvela isini mZinaris tvinSi aisaxeba, rogorc Crdilebi, romlebsac gareSe sagnebi brezentis karvis Sida zedapirs hfens da romlebsac karavSi mZinare adamiani gaRviZebisas xedavs. mas eCveneba, rom es yvelaferi daesizmra, da igi grZnobs, rom swored mas gadaxda Tavs raRac, maSin roca sinamdvileSi Tavisi WeSmatiti egos azrTa moqmedeba man bundovnad aRiqva. gamofxizlebasTan erTad misi mogonebebi ufro da ufro maxinjdeba da im gamosaxulebebSi ireva, romlebsac gamoRviZebis procesSi myofi fizikuri tvini agegmilebs. da, adamianis asociaciuri unaris wyalobiT, es mogonebebi ideaTa sxvadasxva kombinacias warmoSobs.

SekiTxva – Zneli gasagebia, rogor SeuZlia egos RamiT is movlenebi ganicados, romlebic mravali wlis win moxda. xom iyo naTqvami, rom sizmrebi arasubieqturia?

pasuxi – rogor unda iyos subieqturi, roca TviT Zilis mdgomareobaSi yofna CvenTvis (yovel SemTxvevaSi Cvens planze) subieqturia? sizmris mnaxvelisTvis ki (egosTvis) mis sakuTar planze am planis movlenebi iseTive obieqturia, rogoric Cveni moqmedebebia CvenTvis.

SekiTxva – Zilis dros romeli grZnobebia aqtiuri?

pasuxi – mZinaris grZnobebi drodadro impulsebs iRebs da meqanikuri moRvaweobisken gamoiRviZebs. is, rac mas esmis da rasac igi xedavs, rogorc ukve iTqva, misi egos azrTa damaxinjebuli asaxvaa. ego maRalsulieria da Zalian mWidrod aris dakavSirebuli budhis umaRles principebTan da atmasTan. es umaRlesi principebi Cvens planze sruliad umoqmedodaa, da TviT umaRlesi ego (manasi) met-naklebad Zilis mdgomareobaSi imyofeba, im dros roca fizikuri adamiani fxizel mdgomareobaSia. es gansakuTrebiT exeba Zalian materialisturad ganwyobil adamianebs. amrigad, adamianis sulir unars sZinavs, imitom rom materiis mier ego imdenad damonebulia, rom saeWvoa, rom mTeli Tavisi yuradreba man adamianis moqmedebas dauTmos maSinac ki, rodesac adamiani codavs, Tumca amis gamo ego, romelic Tavis dabal manasTan kvlav gaerTiandeba, momavalSi daitanjeba. rogorc ukve vTqvi, swored zemoqmedeba (romelsac ego fizikur adamianze axdens) warmoadgens imas, rasac Cven `sindiss~ vuwodebT. da imisda mixedviT, Tu pirovneba, anu dabali suli, umaRles cnobierebasTan, anu egosTan, rogor erTiandeba, egos zemoqmedebis xarisxi damokidebulia mokvdavi adamianis cxovrebaze.

SekiTxva – niSnavs Tu ara es imas, rom swored es egoa umaRlesi ego?

pasuxi – diax, es aris umaRlesi manasi, budhis mier kurTxeuli, TviTSegnebis principi an, mokled, `me var me~. es aris karana-

Sarira, ukvdavi adamiani, romelic erTi inkarnaciidan meoreSi gadadis.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba iTqvas, rom WeSmariti sizmrebisTvis mexsierebis sxva `registri~, anu meqanizmi, arsebobs, vidre sifxizlis mdgomareobisTvi?

pasuxi – vinaidan sizmrebi sinamdvileSi egos moqmedebebs warmoadgens, im dros roca fizikur sxeuls sZinavs, isini, ra Tqma unda, Tavis sakuTar planze iwereba, magram am planzec Sesabamis zemoqmedebas axdens. magram arasodes daiviwyoT, rom sizmrebi mTlianobaSi, rogorc viciT, mxolod da mxolod gamoRviZebis dros CvenTan mosuli sizmris namdvili movlenebis bundovani mogonebebia. ra Tqma unda, xSirad xdeba, rom diliT saerTod ar gvaxsovs, ra gvesizmra, da Semdeg, ukve dRisiT, uceb gvaxsendeba. amis mizezi mravalia. es imis analogiuria, rac zogjer yoveli Cvenganis Tavs xdeba, roca SegrZneba, suni, SemTxveviTi xmauric an xmac ki CvenSi didi xnis daviwyebul movlenebze, adgilebze an adamianebze mogonebebs aRviZebs. raRaca, rac Cvenma egom naxa, gaakeTa an ifiqra, fizikur tvinSi CaibeWda, magram gamoRviZebisas es ar cnobierdeba da raRaca fizikuri pirobebis an dabrkolebis gamo daviwyebas ecema. es STabeWdilebebi Cveni tvinis Sesabamisi ujredebis an nervuli centrebis mier registrirdeba, magram, raRac SemTxveviTi garemoebebis gamo, mexsierebis meqanizmi, ase vTqvaT, mtyunebas iZleva da iqamde ar amuSavdeba, sanam aucilebel impulss ar miiRebs. da maSin tvini am STabeWdilebebs fxizeli adamianis Segnebul mexsierebaSi myisierad agdebs. radgan, rogorc ki aucilebeli pirobebi Cndeba, Sesabamisi centri maSinve aqtiuri xdeba da im moqmedebebs asrulebs, romlebic mas unda Seesrulebina, magram ama Tu im dabrkolebis gamo ver SeZlo.

SekiTxva – rogor sruldeba es procesi?

pasuxi – fizikur tvinsa da Sinagan adamians Soris mudam, dRisiT da RamiT, erTgvari telegrafuli kavSiria daculi. tvini imdenad rTulia rogorc fizikurad, aseve metafizikurad, rom xes Seedreba, romlisganac qerqis fena-fena moZroba SeiZleba, da yoveli Sre yvela sxva danarCenisgan gansxvavdeba da Tavisi

sakuTari specialuri daniSnuleba, Tavisi sakuTari Taviseburebebi da funqciebi aqvs.

SekiTxva – ra ganasxvavebs `mZinare~ cnobierebis mexsierebasa da warmodgenebs fxizel mdgomareobaSi myofi cnobierebis mexsierebisa da warmodgenebisgan?

pasuxi – Zilis dros fizikuri mexsiereba da warmodgena, ra Tqma unda, pasiuria, radgan adamians sZinavs: mis tvins sZinavs, mis mexsierebas sZinavs, mis yvela funqcias sZinavs da simSvidis mdgomareoba ukavia. da isini iRviZeben, rogorc ukve vTqvi, mxolod maSin, rodesac maT raRac aRagznebs. amrigad, mZinare adamianis cnobiereba aqtiuri ki ar aris, aramed pasiuria. miuxedavad amisa, im dros, rodesac sxeuls sZinavs, Sinagani adamiani, anu WeSmariti ego, sxeulisgan damoukideblad moqmedebs, magram veWvob, rom Cven Soris vinmem gaigos egos moqmedebis xasiaTi, Tu, ra Tqma unda, igi sakmaod ar icnobs okultur fiziologias.

SekiTxva – ra damokidebulebaSia astraluri sinaTle da akaSa mexsierebasTan?

pasuxi – pirveli cxoveluri adamianis mexsierebis matarebelia, ukanaskneli – sulieri egos mexsierebisa. egos yvela `sizmari~, iseve, rogorc fizikuri adamianis yvela moqmedeba, iwereba, radgan erTic da meorec dafuZnebulia mizezebsa da maT mier warmoqmnil Sedegebze. `sizmrebi~, romelTa drosac Cveni namdvili me fxizlobs da moqmedebs, ra Tqma unda, sadRac unda iwerebodes. waikiTxeT `karmuli xedvebi~ `luciferSi~ da yuradReba miaqcieT WeSmariti egos aRweras; es ego mayureblis rolSi gamodis da gmiris cxovrebas uTvalTvalebs; da SesaZloa, raimem gagaocoT.

SekiTxva – ras warmoadgens sinamdvileSi astraluri sinaTle?

pasuxi – rogorc ezoterikuli filosofia gvaswavlis, astraluri sinaTle mxolod da mxolod akaSas, anu ideebis aRqmisa da Seqmnis samyaroebrivi unaris (misi metafizikuri gagebiT), danaleqia. igi uxilavia da mainc akaSas kaSkaSa gamosxivebas warmoadgens,

aseve Suamavalia mas da adamianis azrebs Soris. swored es azrebi aWuWyianebs astralur sinaTles da brali miuZRvis imaSi, rom amJamad igi yvela adamianuri (da gansakuTrebiT misi fsiqiuri) mankierebis sacavi gaxda. Tavisi warmoSobis dasawyisSi astraluri sinaTle rogorc gamosxiveba absoluturad sufTaa, Tumca, rac ufro dabla eSveba Cveni dedamiwis sferosaken, miT ufro metad diferencirdeba, ris Sedegadac misi Semadgenloba sisufTaves kargavs. adamiani ki ufro metad uwyobs xels mis gaWuWyianebas. is, rasac adamiani astralur sinaTles ubrunebs, gacilebiT uaresia imaze, rasac igi iRebs.

SekiTxva – xom ar agvixsnidiT, rogor Seefardeba es adamians da mis moqmedebebs Zilis dros?

pasuxi – fizikur samyaroSi diferenciacia usasruloa. ideebis aRqmisa da Seqmnis samyaroebrivi unari, anu, Tu gnebavT, mahati, Tavis erTgvarovan gamosxivebas mravalgvarovan samyaroSi agzavnis, da igi astraluri sinaTlis meSveobiT adimianur, anu pirad, gonebamde aRwevs.

SekiTxva – magram gana Cveni goneba uSualod umaRlesi manasidan ar iRebs ganaTebas dabali manasis meSveobiT? da umaRlesi manasi sufTa emanacia xom ar aris ideebis aRqmisa da Seqmnis RvTaebrivi unarisa – manasa-putra, romelic adamianebSi xorcieldeba?

pasuxi – es asea. individualuri manasa-putrebi an kumarebi warmoadgenen ideebis aRqmisa da Seqmnis RvTaebrivi unaris uSualo gamosxivebebs (`individualuri~ aseTi gagebiT: uTvalav ganxorcielebebTan dakavSirebiT Semdgomi diferenciacia). isini erTad erTobliv unars warmoadgenen, romelic Cveni planisTvis an, Cveni TvalsazrisiT, warmoadgenen mahats, iseve, rogorc dhian-koganebi Tavis erTobliobaSi samyaros CamoyalibebaSi sityvas an logoss warmoadgenen. Ppirovnebaze (dabal manasze, anu fizikur tvinze) rom mxolod mis umaRles alter Ego1-s moexdina inspirireba, msoflio aseTi codvili ar iqneboda. magram es ase ar aris; pirovnuli adamiani astraluri sinaTlis qselSia gaxlarTuli da Tavis umaRles egos Sordeba. waikiTxeT da SeiswavleT, elifas levi 1 meore `me~, sxva `me~ (laT.)

astralur sinaTleze ras ambobs. igi mas tartarozs an diad gvels uwodebs. astraluri sinaTlis, rogorc erTgvari meore lurji cis, gageba metismetad pirdapiria. es warmosaxviTi sivrce, romelic uTvalav anabeWdebs inaxavs yvelafrisa, rac ki rodisme yofila, aris da iqneba, mxolod da mxolod Zalian samwuxaro realobaa. Tuki adamiani cota mainc fsiqiuria (vin ar aris Cvens Soris fsiqiuri?), astraluri sinaTle adamianSi da adamianisTvis demoni-macduri, misi `boroti angelozi~, yvela misi cudi qcevis STamagonebeli xdeba. igi mZinare adamianis nebazec ki axdens zemoqmedebas xedvebiT, romlebic mis mTvlemare tvinSia aRbeWdili (isini `sizmrebSi~ ar unda gvereodes), da roca adamiani iRviZebs, msgavsi xedvebis bacilebi Tavis saqmes akeTeben.

SekiTxva – ra rols TamaSobs neba sizmrebSi?

pasuxi – Zilis dros gareSe adamianis nebas, iseve rogorc mis survils, ra Tqma unda, sZinavs da ar moqmedebs. magram umoqmedo mTvlemare nebas raime mimarTuleba SeiZleba mivaniWoT da garkveuli Sedegebi gamoviwvioT, romlebic TiTqmis meqanikurad warmoiSveba ori an meti `principis~ urTierTqmedebiTa da erTSi gaerTianebiT iseTi saxiT, rom gamoRviZebis dros isini srul harmoniaSi imoqmedeben, sul odnavi uTanxmoebisa da siyalbis gareSe. es `Savi magiis~ erT-erTi xrikia, magram imis gamo, rom mas SeuZlia karg miznebs emsaxuros, es xriki okultizmis studentebis mierac Seiswavleba. sakmaod win waweuli unda iyo gzaze, rom gqondes neba, romelsac fizikuri Zilis dros Segnebulad moqmedeba SeuZlia an sxva adamianis nebaze gavlena moaxdinos, im dros, roca mas sZinavs, anu misi sizmrebi marTos da maTi meSveobiT – misi moqmedebebi, roca igi mRviZarea. amis Seswavlis Semdeg adepti jivan-mukTa xdeba. arsebiTad igi ukve dedamiwaze ar aris, man nirvanas miaRwia da survilisamebr samadhis mdgomareobaSi SeuZlia Sevides. adeptebs Cveulebrivad `principTa~ ricxviT ganasxvaveben; isini am principebs srulyofilad marTaven, radgan imas, rasac Cven nebas vuwodebT, Tavis wyarod umaRlesi ego aqvs, es ukanaskneli ki, romelic codvisgan damZimebuli pirovnebisgan Tavisufalia, RvTaebrivi da sufTaa.

SekiTxva – ra rols TamaSobs karma sizmrebSi? indoeTSi amboben, rom yoveli adamiani jildos an sasjels iRebs yvela im saqcielisTvis, romlebic man Caidina rogorc mRviZarebis, aseve Zilis dros.

pasuxi – ase imitom amboben, rom adamianebma iq TavianTi winaprebis tradiciebi mTeli sisufTaviT SeinarCunes da ar iviwyeben maT, da ician, rom adamianis arsi mis WeSmarit egoSia da rom es ego cxovrobs da moqmedebs, Tumca sxva planze. am egosTvis gareSe cxovreba `sizmars~ warmoadgens, maSin roca Sinagani cxovreba, anu cxovreba e.w. sizmrebis planze, misTvis realobaa. amitom indusebi (ra Tqma unda, aragandobilebi) amboben, rom WeSmarit adamians karma iseve uxvad ajildoebs sizmrebSi, rogorc iluzorul pirovnebas fizikur cxovrebaSi.

SekiTxva – riTi gansxvavdebian erTmaneTisagan WeSmariti adamiani da iluzoruli pirovneba karmulad?

pasuxi – fizikur cxovelur adamians iseTive mcire pasuxismgebloba aqvs raimeze, rogoric ZaRls an Tagvs aqvT, radgan sxeulebrivi formisTvis yvelaferi sxeulis sikvdiliT mTavrdeba. magram WeSmarit me-s, romelmac Tavisi sakuTari landi, anu dabali moazrovne pirovneba, warmoSva, da romelic am fizikuri avtomatis zurgs ukan idga da idumal zambarebs TiTs aWerda, tanjva mouwevs Tavis factotum da alter ego1-sTan erTad momdevno gansxeulebaSi.

SekiTxva – magram ori manasi, umaRlesi da dabali, xom erTs Seadgens?

pasuxi – diax da amave dros ara, da es didi saidumloebaa. umaRlesi manasi, anu ego, arsebiTad RvTaebrivi da, Sesabamisad, sufTaa. araviTar WuWys ar SeuZlia Cirqi moscxos mas, da araviTari sasjeli per se ar SeiZleba Seexos mas, miT umetes, rom igi udanaSauloa da monawileobas ar iRebs Tavisi dabali egos ganzraxul moqmedebebSi. da mainc, Tumca manasi orobiTia da cxovrebis ganmavlobaSi umaRlesi udablesisgan gayofilia, magram im faqtis gamo, rom `mama da Ze~ aris erTi, 1 marjvena xeli da meore `me~ (laT.)

aseve imitom, rom Tavis zemdgom egosTan gaerTianebis Semdeg dabali suli mTel Tavis moqmedebebs - kargsac da cudsac - mas akisrebs da masze aRbeWdavs, tanjva orives uwevs. umaRles egos, miuxedavad misi udanaSaulobisa da umwikvloebisa, adamianis dabal me-sTan erTad, am ukanasknelis mier Cadenili gadacdomebis gamo, momaval ganxorcielebaSi sasjelis moxda uwevs. migebis mTeli doqtrina am Zvel ezoterikul dogmatzea agebuli, radgan umaRlesi ego antitipia imisi, rac am dedamiwaze tips, anu pirovnebas, warmoadgens. isini, visac es esmiT, amis praqtikul ilustracias ipovian vedur istoriaSi viSvakarmanis Sesaxeb. viSvakarmani, yovlismxilveli RmerTi- mama, mokvdavTaTvis miuwvdomeli, sakuTar Tavs Tavis Tavs swiravs, raTa samyaroebi gadaarCinos, da amis Sedegad bhuvanas TviT Ze, anu suli-wminda xdeba. indur filosofiaSi umaRles egos aqvs mistikuri dasaxeleba qSetra-jnia, anu `gansxeulebuli umaRlesi suli~, e.i. is, romelmac qSetra, anu `sxeuli~, icis da romelic mas STaagonebs. sityvis etimologiuri garCeva gviCvenebs, rom Ziri `ajnia~ niSnavs `pirmSos~, agreTve `kravs~ (agnec). es sagonebelSi gvagdebs. tomebis dawera SeiZleba genetikuriswina da genetikurisSemdgom ganviTarebaze tipisa da antitipisa – qristeze, qSetrajniaze, RmerTkacze, pirmSoze, romelic `kraviT~ aris simbolizirebuli. saidumlo doqtrina gvaswavlis, rom manasa-putrebma, anu gansxeulebulma egoebma, nebayoflobiT da Segnebulad aiRes sakuTar Tavze Tavisi momavali pirovnebebis momavali codvebis tvirTi. amitom advili gasagebia, rom arc batoni a., arc batoni b., arc nebismieri sxva pirovneba, romelic periodulad iseTi formiT imoseba, TiTqos Tavis Tavs egos swiravs, namdvil tanjvas ar ganicdis. WeSmarit tanjvas ganicdis udanaSaulo qriste CvenSi. amitom indusebis mistikosebi amboben, rom maradiuli me, anu ego (erTi samSi da samgvari erTSi), aris `meetle~, anu mZRoli, pirovnebebi ki – droebiTi da warmavali mgzavrebi, cxenebi adamianis cxoveluri vnebebia. gamodis, sworia, rom, rodesac Cveni sindisis mimarT yru vrCebiT, qristes jvars vacvamT CvenSi. magram modiT sizmrebs davubrundeT.

SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara e.w. winaswarmetyveluri sizmrebi imis maCvenebels, rom adamiani, romelic maT xedavs, naTelmxilvelobis naTlad gamoxatul unars flobs?

pasuxi – SeiZleba iTqvas, rom, Tu adamianebi winaswarmetyvelur sizmrebs namdvilad xedaven, es imas niSnavs, rom maTi fizikuri tvini da mexsiereba ufro met kavSirSi da harmoniaSia maTs umaRles egosTan, vidre adamianTa umravlesobisa. maTs WeSmarit egos ufro meti SesaZleblobebi aqvs fizikuri garsisTvis da mexsierebisTvis imis gadasacemad, rac maTTvis namdvilad mniSvnelovania, vidre naklebi niWiT dajildoebul adamianTa SemTxvevaSi. ar dagaviwydeT, rom erTaderTi RmerTi, romelTanac adamians urTierToba SeuZlia daamyaros, aris RmerTi TviT masSi, da romlis saxelia umaRlesi suli, suli da goniereba, anu cnobiereba, da es sami erTs adgens. magram nergi rom gaizardos, sarevelas gamomargvlaa saWiro. wminda pavlem Tqva, rom Cven unda movkvdeT, rom kvlav vicxovroT. Cven daSlis meSveobiT SegviZlia srulyofilebi gavxdeT, da es sami Zala: damcveli, Semqmneli da gamanadgurebeli RvTaebrivis mxolod naperwklebia adamianSi.

SekiTxva – xedaven Tu ara sizmrebs adeptebi?

pasuxi – arc erTi win waweuli adepti sizmrebs ar xedavs. adepti aris is, romelic Tavis oTx dabal principze kontrols daeufla, sxeulis CaTvliT, da vinc, Sesabamisad, nebas ar aZlevs sxeuls mas uxelmZRvanelos. igi Tavis dabal me-s Zilis dros ubralod paralizebas ukeTebs da absoluturad Tavisufali xdeba. sizmari, rogorc Cven igi gvesmis, iluziaa. gana SeuZlia adepts, romelic yvela iluziisgan gaTavisuflda, rame esizmros? Zilis dros igi ubralod sxva ufro realur planze cxovrobs.

SekiTxva – arian adamianebi, romlebic sizmrebs arasodes xedaven?

pasuxi – ramdenadac CemTvis cnobilia, aseTi adamianebi dedamiwaze ar arseboben. yoveli adamiani ase Tu ise xedavs sizmrebs, magram umravlesobas gaRviZebis Semdeg aviwydeba isini. es damokidebulia tvinis kvanZebis met-naklebad aRqmis mdgomareobaze. sulierad ganuviTarebeli adamiani da is, vinc Tavis warmosaxvis unars ar aviTarebs an vinc fizikuri SromiT dauZlurebulia im zomamde, rom misi tvinis kvanZebi Zilis dros

meqanikuradac ki ar moqmedebs, iSviaTad xedavs (Tuki saerTod xedavs) dalagebul sizmrebs.

SekiTxva – riT gansxvavdeba adamianis sizmrebi cxovelis sizmrebisagan?

pasuxi – ra Tqma unda, sizmrebi ara marto adamians axasiaTebs, aramed yvela cxovelsac – umaRlesi ZuZumwovrebidan Yvelaze ufro patara frinvelebamde da mwerebamdec ki. yoveli arseba, romelsac fizikuri tvini an misi Sesatyvisi organoebi gaaCnia, sizmars unda xedavdes. yovel cxovels, misi zomebis miuxedavad, met-naklebad ganviTarebuli fizikuri grZnobebi aqvs, da, Tumc es grZnobebi Zilis dros daClungebulia, mexsiereba mainc ganagrZobs, ase vTqvaT, meqanikurad moqmedebas da gancdil SegrZnebebs aRadgens. CvenTvis cnobilia, rom ZaRlebi, cxenebi da sxva Sinauri cxovelebi sizmrebs xedaven, magram sizmrebs kanaris Citebic xedaven. Tumca vfiqrob, rom es sizmrebi sufTa fiziologiuri rigisaa. daZinebis momentSi myofi tvinis muSaoba cecxlis bJutvas hgavs, rodesac misgan drodadro ali amovardeba xolme. rogorc draideni ambobs, sizmrebi ar aris `interludiebi, romlebsac warmosaxva TamaSobs~. es mxolod fiziologiur sizmrebs exeba, romlebic kuWSi saWmlis gadaumuSaveblobiT anda raime ideiT an movleniT aris gamowveuli, romelmac mRviZare tvinSi anabeWdi datova.

SekiTxva – ras warmoadgens am SemTxvevaSi daZinebis procesi?

pasuxi – igi nawilobriv fiziologiiT aixsneba. okultizmimas xsnis rogorc nervuli centrebis periodul da regulirebad gamofitvas, gansakuTrebiT tvinis sensoruli kvanZebisa, romlebsac am planze aRar SeuZlia funqcionireba da romlebic, im SemTxvevaSi Tu isini araqmedunariani ar xdeba, iZulebulia Zalebi sxva planze, anu upadhize (raimes ufro naklebad materialuris, vidre TviTonaa, gamtari, gadamcemi an matarebeli; mag. ad. sxeuli aris misi sulis upadhi; eTeri – sinaTlis upadhi da a.S.), aRidginos. Tavidan dgeba sizmrebis xilvis mdgomareoba svapna, romelsac SuSuptis (Rrma Zilis) mdgomareobamde mihyavs. axla saWiroa gavixsenoT, rom yvela Cveni grZnobebi orobiTia da

cnobierebis im planis Sesabamisad iqneba moqmedebaSi moyvanili, romelzedac moazrovne arseba energias avlens. fizikuri Zili udides SesaZleblobebs iZleva moazrovne arsebis aqtiurobisTvis sxvadasxva planze; amave dros Zili aucilebelia imisaTvis, rom grZnobebs SeeZlos Zalebis aRdgena da axali sicocxlis SeZena jagratisTvis, anu svapnadan da SuSuptidan gamoRviZebis mdgomareobisTvis. raja-iogaSi turia umaRles mdgomareobad iTvleba. rogorc sasicocxlo garemoebis erTi mdgomareobis mier daqanculi adamiani cdilobs igi meoriT Secvalos (magaliTad, roca haeri metismetad cxelia, igi civi wyliT grildeba), aseve Zili mziani velis Crdilovani kuTxea. Zili imis niSans warmoadgens, rom cxovreba mRviZarobis mdgomareobaSi Zalian didi daZabuloba gaxda fizikuri organizmisTvis da rom mRviZarobis mdgomareobidan Zilis mdgomareobaSi gadasvliT sasicocxlo nakadis Zala unda Sesustdes. sTxoveT karg naTelmxilvels aRweros aura adamianisa, romelmac gamoiZina da daisvena, da adamianisa, romelic ZilisTvis emzadeba. pirveli sasicocxlo nakadTa oqrosferi, cisferi da vardisferi ritmuli vibraciebiT iqneba garemoculi. es aris sicocxlis eleqtruli talRebi. ukanaskneli ki intensiur mooqrosfro-narinjisfer kvamlSi iqneba, romlis Semadgeneli atomebic warmoudgeneli siCqariTa da sificxiT brunavs, rac imaze mianiSnebs, rom adamiani metismetadaa gadavsili sicocxliT, da es cxovelmyofeloba misi fizikuri organoebisTvis metismetad intensiuria. misTvis aucilebelia damSvidebis monaxva am cxovrebis Crdilovan mxareSi, romelsac warmoadgens Zili, anu cnobierebis erT-erTi mdgomareoba.

SekiTxva – maS ra aris sizmari?

pasuxi – es damokidebulia im azrze, romelic am sityvaSia Cadebuli. `ocneboba~, anu, rogorc Cven vambobT, xedvebis qona, SeiZleba rogorc mRviZarebis mdgomareobaSi, aseve Zilis mdgomareobaSic. Tu raime sensualuri unaris mqone adamiani nebisyofis ZaliT finjanSi an metalis WurWelSi astralur sinaTles Sekrebs da misi danaxvis Zlieri surviliT mis romelime wertilze moaxdens koncentrirebas, Sedegad is `xedvas~ miiRebs. astralur sinaTleSi arekvlebi kargad Cans daxuWuli TvalebiT, kidev ufro mkveTrad ki - Zilis dros. gamWvirvale xedvebi naxevrad

gamWvirvale xdeba. Cveulebrivi organuli cnobierebidan isini transcendentalur mdgomareobamde adian.

SekiTxva – ra aris sizmrebis mTavari mizezi?

pasuxi – rogorc viciT, sxvadasxva sizmrebi arsebobs. Tu ar CavTvliT kuWSi saWmlis gadaumuSaveblobiT gamowveul sizmrebs, arsebobs sizmrebi, romlebic tvinis, mexsierebis moRvaweobasTan aris dakavSirebuli; aris meqanikuri an Segnebuli xedvebi. gamafrTxilebeli sizmrebi Sinagan egosTan aqtiuri urTierTmoqmedebiT aris ganpirobebuli. isini agreTve xSirad ori cocxali adamianis an ori egos Tavis tvinis Segnebuli an Seugnebeli urTierTqmedebis Sedegs warmoadgens.

SekiTxva – aseT SemTxvevaSi, ra xedavs sizmrebs CvenSi?

pasuxi – rogorc wesi, es aris piradi egos fizikuri tvini, mexsierebis adgilsamyofeli. igi naperwklebs ireklavs da gamoyris, rogorc Caqrobis procesSi myofi nakverCxlebi. mZinaris mexsiereba SeiZleba eolur Svidsimian arfas (instrumenti, romelic qaris meSveobiT JRers) SevadaroT, misi gonebis mdgomareoba ki – qars, romelic mis simebSi gaiqrolebs. arfas Sesabamisi simi gonebrivi moRvaweobis Svidi mdgomareobidan erT-erTze axdens reagirebas, imaze, romelSiac mZinare imyofeboda, sanam daiZinebda. msubuqi daqrolva arfis sust JReradobas gamoiwvevs, uragani – Sesabamisad ufro Zlier vibraciebs. Tu piradi ego Tavis umaRles principebTan kontaqtSia da Tu umaRlesi planebis safarvlebi odnav axdilia, maSin yvelaferi kargad aris. xolo Tu, piriqiT, misi buneba materialuria da cxovelurTan axlosaa, maSin sizmrebs adgili ar unda hqondes. Tu mexsiereba SemTxveviT umaRlesi planidan `qaris~ daqrolas daiWers, da es daqrola naTxemis kvanZebis mier iqneba aRbeWdili, da ara pirdapir sulieri egos meSveobiT, piradi ego imdenad damaxinjebul da disharmoniul gamosaxulebebsa da bgerebs miiRebs, rom devaCanas (`RmerTebis savane~. Sualeduri mdgomareoba Oor miwier cxovrebas Soris, romelSic ego Sedis) xedvac ki saSinelebad an groteskul karikaturad moeCveneba. amitom ar SeiZleba erTmniSvnelovani pasuxi gaeces kiTxvas `ra xedavs sizmrebs CvenSi?~: es mTlianad individuumzea damokidebuli,

imaze, Tu mis sizmrebSi romeli principi iqneba mTavari mamoZravebeli da daimaxsovrebs Tu ara adamiani Tavis sizmrebs.

SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara xiluli obieqturoba sizmrebSi namdvilad obieqturs an subieqturs?

pasuxi – Tu aRiareba xdeba, rom igi xilulia, maSin, ra Tqma unda, subieqturia. ufro sworad, kiTxva Semdegnairad unda daisvas: visTvis an risTvis aris gamosaxulebebi an saxeebi sizmrebSi obieqturi an subieqturi? sizmrebis mxedveli fizikuri adamianisTvis yovelive is, rasac is daxuWuli TvalebiT xedavs, ra Tqma unda, subieqturia. magram Cveni materialuri grZnobebisTvis mZinare fizikuri adamianis SigniT damkvirveblisTvis yovelive is, rasac is xedavs, iseve obieqturia, rogorc TviTon aris obieqturi sakuTari TavisTvis da mis msgavs sxva adamianebisTvis. albaT materialistebi gaicineben da ityvian, rom Cven adamians arsTa mTel ojaxad vaqcevT, magram es ase ar aris. okultizmi gvaswavlis, rom fizikuri adamiani erTiania, magram moazrovne adamiani SvidobiTia: igi yofierebis sxvadasxva doneze, anu cnobierebis sxvadasxva planze fiqrobs, moqmedebs, grZnobs da cxovrobs. da yvela am doneebis, anu planebisTvis, ucvlel egos (da ara mcdar pirovnebas) grZnobebis garkveuli nakrebi gaaCnia.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba am sxvadasxva groZnobebis daxasiaTeba?

pasuxi – es mxolod adeptebs an kargad momzadebul moazrovneebs SeuZliaT, romlebisTvisac cnobierebis es doneebi kargad aris cnobili. iseTi mecnierebebi, rogoricaa biologia, fiziologia da fsiqologiac ki (modsleis, beinisa da Hherbert spenseris skolebisa), aseT kiTxvebs ar exebian. nebis, SegrZnebebis, inteleqtisa da instiqtis gamovlinebebs mecniereba ufardebs nervul centrebs, romelTagan umTavresia Cveni tvini. igi gansakuTrebuli gamtaris an substanciis Sesaxeb ilaparakebs, rogoricaa, magaliTad, sisxlZarRvTa sistema an fibrozuli qsovilebi, da maTi urTierTdamokidebulebis axsnas daiwyebs, nervuli kvanZebis centrebs motorul, sensorul da simpaTikurebad dayofs, magram igi erT sityvasac ar ityvis TviT inteleqtis, anu gonebis,

idumal Zalaze da mis (inteleqtis) funqciebze. xSiria SemTxvevebi, rodesac ZilSi vacnobierebT, rom sizmars vxedavT; es kargi mtkicebaa imisa, rom adamiani – azris planze – rTuli arsebaa. amitom ego, anu moazrovne adamiani, proteusi, ara marto sxvdasxvagvar formaTa mudam cvalebad erTianobas warmoadgens, aramed mas agreTve unari aqvs, ase vTqvaT, gonebis an sizmrebis planze or an met arsebad gaiyos, iluziis planze ki, romelsac (iluzias) nirvanas karTan mivyavarT, igi hgavs ein-sofas, romelic ein-sofas esaubreba, anu dialogs Tavis TavTan awarmoebs da sakuTar Tavs Tavisi Tavis meSveobiT sakuTari Tavis Sesaxeb esaubreba. da es aris Cauwvdomeli RvTaebis saidumloeba zogarSi, aseve induistur filosofiur mimdinareobebSi. igivea kabalaSic, puranebSic, vedantur metafizikaSic da e.w. qristianul RmerTisa da samebis saidumloebaSic ki. adamiani aris makrokosmosis mikrokosmosi; RmerTi dedamiwaze Seqmnilia RmerTis saxiT bunebaSi. magram WeSmariti egos samyaroebrivi cnobiereba milionjer aRemateba piradi, anu mcdari, egos TviTSegnebas.

SekiTxva – warmoadgens Tu ara e.w. `tvinis Seugnebeli moRvaweoba~ fizikuri tvinis meqanikur process Zilis dros Tu es egos Segnebuli funqcionirebaa, romlis Sedegic Cveulebriv cnobierebaSi mxolod aRibeWdeba?

pasuxi – ukanaskneli. gana SeiZleba Segnebul mdgomareobaSi imis gaxseneba, rac im dros xdeboda, rodesac Cveni tvini Seugneblad muSaobda? naTlad Cans, rom winaaRmdegoba aq terminologiaSia.

SekiTxva – rogor unda avxsnaT, rom adamianebi, romlebsac bunebaSi mTebi arasodes unaxavT, sizmarSi xSirad mkafiod xedaven da maTi Taviseburebebis garCevis unari aqvT?

pasuxi – albaT mTebi maT suraTebSi naxes. da Tu ar unaxavT, e. i. viRacam an raRacam maTSi es winaT naxa.

SekiTxva – ra aris imis mizezi, rom sizmarSi TiTqos yovelTvis raRacisken viswrafiT, magram mas verasodes vaRwevT?

pasuxi – es imitom, rom fizikuri `me~ da misi mexsiereba mowyvetilia SesaZleblobisgan icodes, Tu WeSmariti ego ras akeTebs. mZinare mxolod egos moqmedebebze sust wuTier STabeWdilebebs iRebs, romlebic fizikur adamianSi e.w. sizmrebs warmoSobs, magram mas ar SeuZlia isini mimdevrobiT naxos. bodvebSi myof adamians gamojansaRebis Semdeg iseTive damokidebuleba aqvs medicinis dasTan, romelic avadmyofobis dros mas uvlida, rogoric fizikur adamians Tavis WeSmarit egosTan. es ego iseve Segnebulad moqmedebs masSic da mis gareTac, rogorc medicinis da, romelic avadmyofs uvlis. magram arc pacients (saavadmyofodan gamosvlis Semdeg), arc sizmris mnaxvels (gamoRviZebis Semdeg) ar SeuZlia raimes gaxseneba, garda wuTieri wyvetili xedvebisa.

SekiTxva – riT gansxvavdeba Zili sikvdilisgan?

pasuxi – maT Soris, ra Tqma unda, aris analogia, magram gansxvaveba Zalian mniSvnelovania. ZilSi SenarCunebulia kavSiri, Tumca susti, adamianis dabalsa da umaRles gonebas Soris, da ukanaskneli met-naklebad pirvelSi aisaxeba, Tumca misi sxivebi SeiZleba Zlierad maxinjdebodes. magram, rogorc ki sxeuli kvdeba, iluziis sxeuli maiavirupa kama-rupa, anu cxoveluri suli xdeba, da bedis anabara rCeba. Sesabamisad, moCvenebasa da adamians Soris iseTive gansxvavebaa, rogoric uxeSmaterialur, magram fxizel mokvdavsa da Zalian mTvral adamians Soris, romelsac unari ar gaaCnia garSemo kargad xiluli sagnebi gaarCios, agreTve, sruliad bnel oTaxSi Caketil adamiansa da imas Soris, vinc arasakmarisad, magram mainc, ganaTebul oTaxSi imyofeba. dabali principebi gareul cxovelebs hgavs, umaRlesi manasi ki racionaluri adamiania, romelic maT met-naklebi warmatebiT aTvinierebs an aSinaurebs. magram rogorc ki mxeci patronis kontrolisgan Tavisufldeba, rogorc ki patronis danaxvas da misi xmis gagonebas wyvets, kvlav Tavis Zvel bunagSi brundeba junglebSi. magram realur, namdvil cxovels dro esaWiroeba imisTvis, rom Tavisi arsis bunebriv mdgomareobas daubrundes, dabali principebi ki myisierad brundeba, da rogorc ki umaRlesi triada devaCanas mdgomareobaSi Sedis, dabali duada kvlav xdeba is, rac sul Tavidan iyo: principi, romelsac sufTa

cxoveluri instiqti aqvs micemuli da romelsac momxdari cvlileba kidev ufro metad axarebs.

SekiTxva – rogoria linga-Sariras, anu plastikuri sxeulis, mdgomareoba sizmrebis dros?

pasuxi- - plastikurma formam sxeulTan erTad unda iZinos, Tuki masze raime Zlieri survili ar axdens proecirebas; es survili ki umaRles manasSia warmoSobili. sizmrebSi es forma aqtiur rols ar TamaSobs, igi, piriqiT, absoluturad pasiuria da im movlenebis uneblie naxevrad mZinar mowmes warmoadgens, romlebsac umaRlesi principebi ganicdian.

SekiTxva – ra garemoebebSi SeiZleba es moCveneba xiluli iyos?

pasuxi – zogjer avadmyofobis, zogjer vnebaTa Zlieri Relvis SemTxvevaSi rogorc damkvirveblis mxridan, aseve imis mxridan, visac akvirdebian; SesaZloa erTSic da meoreSic. avadmyofi adamiani, gansakuTrebiT sikvdilis win, sizmarSi an xedvaSi albaT naxavs imaT, vinc mas uyvars da viszec mudam fiqrobs. zustad aseve mRviZare adamians SeuZlia vinme dainaxos, viszedac daZabulad fiqrobs da visac am dros sZinavs.

SekiTxva – SeuZlia mags aseTi moCvenebiTi arsi gamoiwvios da masTan urTierToba hqondes?

pasuxi – Sav magiaSi mZinare adamianTa `sulebis~ gamoZaxeba arc Tu ise iSviaTobaa. jadoqars SeuZlia moCvenebas nebismieri saidumlo aTqmevinos, mZinare ki ver gaigebs, Tu ra moxda. is, rac aseT garemoebebSi Cndeba, aris maiavi-rupa; magram yovelTvis arsebobs saSiSroeba, rom cocxali adamianis mexsiereba gamoZaxebis mogonebas Seinaxavs, da exsomeba rogorc naTeli sizmari. Tu manZili Zalian didi ar aris, oreulis, anu linga-Sariras, gamoZaxeba SeiZleba, magram mas arc laparakis unari aqvs, arc informaciis mocemisa, da gamoricxuli ar aris saSiSroeba, rom msgavsma ZaldatanebiTma gayofam moklas mZinare. ZilSi mravali moulodneli sikvdili swored am mizeziT moxda, magram qveyanas sibrZne ar Sematebia.

SekiTxva – SeiZleba raime kavSiri arsebobdes sizmris mnaxvelsa da kama-lokas arss Soris?

pasuxi – Tu mZinares kama-lokadan arsi daesizmreba, es albaT saSineli sizmari iqneba. da Tu mZinare mediumia an adamiania, romelic mRviZarebis dros iseT pasiurobas avlenda, rom mis umaRles me-sac ki ar SeeZlo misi dacva, igi riskavs aseTi saxiT Sepyrobili `moCveneba~ gaxdes. amitom mediumuri pasiuri mdgomareoba sakmaod saxifaToa. mas SeuZlia saqme iqamde miiyvanos, rom umaRlesi me sruliad uZluri gaxdeba da mZinares an transSi Sesul adamians verc daexmareba, verc gaafrTxilebs. pasiuroba maRal da dabl principebs Soris kavSirs paralizebas ukeTebs. iSviaTia SemTxveva, roca mediumi, romelic romeliRac umaRles gonierebasTan, romeliRac aramiwier sulTan (aragansxeulebulTan) sruliad pasiuri rCeba, mainc sakmao simZlavris pirad nebas inarCunebs, rom Tavis umaRles me-sTan yvela kavSiri ar gawyvitos.

SekiTxva – SeuZlia sizmris mnaxvels kontaqtSi iyos romelime arsTan devaCanadan?

pasuxi – devaCanas mkvidrTan kontaqtis damyareba erTaderTi saSualebiT xdeba: sizmrebis meSveobiT an transis dros xedviT. devaCanas arc erT mkvidrs ar SeuZlia Cvens planze Camovides: Cven avdivarT iq, ufro sworad Cveni Sinagani me adis.

SekiTxva – ra mdgomareobaSia loTis goneba Zilis dros?

pasuxi – es ar aris namdvili Zili, es aris mZime gaStereba, ara fizikuri mosveneba, uZilobaze uaresi. amgvari mdgomareoba swrafad klavs adamians. aseTi gaSterebis dros, agreTve mRviZarebis dros simTvraleSi loTis tvinSi yvelaferi brunavs da mis warmodgenebSi es saSinel da groteskul, mudam moZrav da klaknil formebs warmoSobs.

SekiTxva – ra aris koSmarebis mizezi, da gaxangrZlivebuli tuberkuloziT daavadebuli adamianebi ratom xedaven xSirad tkbil sizmrebs?

pasuxi – kiTxvis pirveli nawili sufTa fiziologiuri mizezebiT aixsneba. koSmari gamowveulia gaZnelebuli sunTqviT, gaZnelebili sunTqva ki yovelTvis tanjvis grZnobasa da moaxloebuli katastrofis SegrZnebas iwvevs. meore SemTxvevaSi sizmrebi tkbili imitom xdeba, rom tuberkuloziT daavadebuli Tavis materialur sxeuls TandaTan scildeba, da misi naTelmxilvelobis unari am dacilebis proporciulad izrdeba. sikvdilis moaxloebasTan erTad sxeuli iSleba da wyvets dabrkolebas fizikuri adamianis tvinsa da mis umaRles me-s Soris uTierTmoqmedebaSi.

SekiTxva – sasargebloa Tu ara sizmrebis naxvis unaris ganviTareba?

pasuxi – rodesac imis unars vanviTarebT, rasac sizmrebs vuwodebT, Cven naTelmxilvelobis unars vaviTarebT.

SekiTxva – arsebobs Tu ara sizmrebis interpretaciis raime wesebi, rogoricaa, magaliTad, sizmrebis ganmarteba?

pasuxi – ara, mxolod naTelmxilvelobis unari da sulieri intuicia warmoadgens `amxsnelebs~. sizmris mnaxveli yvela ego erTmaneTisgan iseve gansxvavdeba, rogorc Cveni fizikuri sxeulebi. Tu samyaroSi fizikur planze yvelaferi Svidi gasaRebiT simbolizirdeba, maS ramdeni gasaRebi unda iyos amisTvis umaRles planebze?

SekiTxva – SeiZleba sizmrebis rogorRac klasificireba?

pasuxi – Cven SegviZlia sizmrebi uxeSad Svid klasad davyoT, es ukanasknelebi ki – qveklasebad.

amgvarad Cven miviRebT: 1. winaswarmetyveluri sizmrebi. isini Cveni umaRlesi me-s

mier aRibeWdeba mexsierebaSi. rogorc wesi, isini gasagebi da naTelia: mZinares an esmis xma, an moaxloebul movlenas xedavs.

2. alegoriuli sizmrebi an realur movlenaTa dabinduli

wuTieri xedvebi, romlebic (movlenebi) tvinis mieraa gamotacebuli da warmodgeniT damaxinjebuli.

3. sizmrebi, romlebic gamogzavnilia adeptebis mier, kargebis an cudebis, mesmerizatorebis an Zalian Zlier gonierebaTa mier, romlebsac surT, rom maTi neba SevasruloT.

4. retrospeqtuli sizmrebi wina ganxorcielebebSi momxdarmovlenaTa Sesaxeb.

5. gamafrTxilebeli sizmrebi adamianebisTvis, romlebsacar SeuZliaT TviTon winaswar igrZnon.

6. uwesrigo sizmrebi, romelTa mizezebic zemoT iyonaxsenebi.

7. sizmrebi, romlebic warmoadgens warmodgenis TamaSis Sedegs an qaosur suraTebs, romlebic saWmlis gadamuSavebasTan dakavSirebiT, zogierTi fsiqiuri aSlilobiTa da sxva msgavsi mizezebiT warmoiSoba.

glosariumiaditi ----- vedantistebis mulaprakritis veduri dasaxeleba. `deda-qalRmerTi~, mis miwier simbolos usazRvro sivrce warmoadgens.akaSa ----- faqizi, zemgrZnobiare sulieri arsi, romelic mTel sivrces avsebs.anima mundi ----- `samyaroebrivi suli~, RvTaebrivi arsi, romelic gaJRenTs, asulierebs da avsebs yvelafers, materiis umciresi atomidan adamianamde da RmerTamde.anupadaka ----- `mSoblebis gareSe~, `TviT-arsebuli~, umSoblod dabadebuli. es termini garkveul TviTSobil RmerTebsa da dhiani-budebs exebaarupa ----- `usxeulo~, uformo. asurebi ----- egzoterikulad – elementalebi da boroti RmerTebi – vnebis momtanebad iTvlebian; demonebi da ara-RmerTebi. RmerTebis sapirispiro.ah-hi (sansk. ahi) ----- gveli. dhian-koganebi. `brZeni gvelebi~ an `sibrZnis drakonebi~. ciuri arsebebi.

bodhisatva ----- is, visac mxolod erTi inkarnacia sWirdeba imisaTvis, rom srulyofili buda gaxdes, anu nirvanas ufleba hqondes. metafizikuri gagebiT bodhisatva ciuri dhiani-budebis Zeebs hqviaT.brahma ----- mamakacuri da moCvenebiTi Semqmneli; igi Tavis gamJRavnebaSi mxolod periodulad arsebobs, Semdeg ki kvlav pralaiaSi eSveba, anu qreba da nadgurdeba. brahmani ----- samyaros upirovno, umaRlesi da Seucnobadi principi, romlis arsidanac yvelaferi gamodis da romelSic yvelaferi brundeba; igi aris usxeulo, aramaterialuri, aradabadebuli, maradi, dasawyisisa da dasrulebis armqone. igi yovlismomcvelia, romelic asulierebs rogorc umaRles RmerTs, aseve umcires mineralur atoms. geia ----- pirvelsawyisi materia. gor-i ----- egviptis RvTaebriv mbrZanebelTa rigidan ukanaskneli, ozirisis da izidas Zed iTvleba. igi warmoadgens diad RmerTs, `zecis yvelaze ufro sayvarels~.dangma ----- ezoterizmSi – ganwmendili suli. naTelmxilveli da gandobili; is, vinc srulyofil sibrZnes miaRwia. devaCani ----- `RmerTebis savane~. or miwier cxovrebas Soris Sualeduri mdgomareoba, romelSic ego Sedis. dhiani-budebi ----- `TanamgrZnobi gulis~ mqoneni; maT gansakuTrebulad nepalSi scemen Tayvans. aseve saidumlo daniSnuleba aqvT. dhian-koganebi ---- `sinaTlis mbrZaneblebi~. umaRlesi RmerTebi, romlebic romis kaTolikebis mTavarangelozebs Seesabamebian. RvTaebrivi gonierebebi, romlebsac kosmosis meTvalyuroeba evalebaT.eidoloni (berZ.) ----- igivea, rac adamianis fantomi, astraluri forma. ein sofi ----- emanirebuli da gavrcobili RvTaeba. eloximi (ebr.) ----- emanirebuli aqtiuri da pasiuri arsebi.emanacia ----- universumis gadasvla umaRlesidan dabal, naklebad srulyofil, safexurze.eonebi (berZ.) ----- drois periodebi; RvTaebrivi arsidan gamosuli emanaciebi, da ciuri arsebebi; gnostikebis geniosebi da angelozebi. erosi ----- Tavdapirveli samebis (urani, geia da erosi) mesame wevri.

kala ----- dro.kamaloka ----- naxevrad materialuri plani, CvenTvis subieqturi da uxilavi, sadac gansxeulebadakarguli `pirovnebebi~, astraluri formebi, kamarupebad wodebulni, manamade rCebian, sanam mentaluri impulsebis SedegTa mospobis Semdeg iqidan ar gaqrebian; es impulsebi adamianuri da cxoveluri vnebebisa da survilebis eidolonebis (fantomebis, astraluri formebis) mier iqmneba. karana ----- mizezi (metafizkurad).karana-Sarira ---- `mizezobriobis sxeuli~. mas ormagi mniSvneloba aqvs. egzoterikulad es aris avidia, umecreba, anu is, rac adamianuri egos evoluciisa da gadaxorcielebis mizezs warmoadgens, Sesabamisad dabali manasi; ezoterikulad es aris mizezobriobis, anu karanopadhis sxeuli; taraka raja-iogaSi igi budhis da umaRles manass, anu umaRlessulier suls, Seesabameba. kriiaSaqTi ----- azris Zala; bunebis Svdi Zalidan erT-erTi. srulyofili iogis `ZalTa~ Semqmneli Zliereba. laia ----- okultizmSi wertili, romelSiac nivTiereba erTgvarovani xdeba da urTierTkavSirisa da diferencirebis unars kargavs. lingaSarira ----- `sxeuli~, anu sxeulis eTeruli simbolo. es termini adamianis an cxovelis astralur sxeuls asaxavs. sxeulidan adamianis arekvla. igi sxeulze adre ibadeba da sxeulis ukanasknel atomTan erTad qreba. lipikebi ----- ciuri rekordistebi, `mwerlebi~, romlebic dedamiwaze myofi adamianis yovel sityvasa da moqmedebas aRricxaven. rogorc okultizmi gvaswavlis, isini karmis, migebis kanonis, Suamavlebis arss warmoadgenen.maiavirupa ----- `iluzoruli forma~; ezoterikul filosofiaSi `oreuli~. manvantara ----- gamJRavnebis periodi, pralaias (ganzavebis, anu simSvidis) sapirispiro. sxvadasxva ciklebs exeba, gansakuTrebiT brahmas dRes (4320000000 mzis weliwadi), da erTi manus mefobis dros (308448000 weliwadi). pird. manu-antara – manuebs Soris. matri ----- `dedebi~, RvTaebrivi dedebi. maTi ricxvi Svidia. isini RmerTebis qalur aspeqtebsa da Zalebs warmoadgenen. mahati ----- `diadi~. samyaros gonierebisa da cnobierebis pirveli principi. manasis, moazrovne principis, da ahamkaras, egoizmis, Semqmneli.

monada (berZ.) ----- erTianoba, erTi; okultizmSi es xSirad niSnavs gaerTianebul triadas, atma-budhi-manass, an duadas, atma-budhis, adamianis im ukvdav nawils, romelic dabal samefoebSi gadaxorcieldeba da maTze gavliT TandaTan adamianisken miiwevs da Semdeg saboloo mizans – nirvanas – aRwevs. mulaprakriti ----- abstraqtuli RvTaebrivi qaluri principi – aradiferencirebuli substancia. akaSa. `bunebis fesvi~. nag-i ----- `gveli~. gveli-sulebis an drakoni sulebis, agreTve patalis (jojoxeTis) mkvidrTa dasaxeleba. neiti ----- mTvaris qalRmerTi egvipteSi. neofiti ----- damwyebi; is, vinc gandobisTvis emzadeba, kandidati misteriisTvis. nidana ----- arsebobis Tormeti mizezi, anu mizezobriobis mwkrivi, `mizezisa da Sedegis SeWiduloba arsebobis mTel rigSi 12 rgolis meSveobiT~. es aris budisturi azris fundamentaluri dogma, `romlis gagebac cxovrebis gamocanas, arsebobis sicarieles xsnis da gonebas nirvanisTvis amzadebs~. noumeni ----- Seucnobadi sagani Tavis TavSi (kantis filos.).numeni ----- grZnobaTa iluzoruli obieqtebisagan gansxvavebiT, yofierebis WeSmariti arsebiTi buneba.paramarTha ----- absoluturi arseboba.pitrebi ----- kacobriobis winaprebi an Semqmnelni. pleroma ----- RvTaebrivi samyaro an samyaroebrivi suli. pradhana ----- aradiferencirebuli substancia. pirveladi materia. prakriti ----- gamJRavnebuli buneba. pralaia ----- planeturi, kosmosuri an samyaroebrivi ganzavebis an simSvidis periodi; manvantaras, anu gamJRavnebis, periodis sawinaaRmdego. protili ----- axlad SemoRebuli sityva qimiaSi Tavdapirveli, erTgvarovani, maradiswina substanciis aRsaniSnavad. putra ----- Zerozenkreicerebi ----- es saxeli pirvelad mieca swavluli adeptis - xristian rozenkreicis - mimdevrebs, romelic daaxloebiT 1460 w. germaniaSi cxovrobda. man mistikis Semswavleli saidumlo ordeni Camoayaliba. ordenis wevrTa kvali sxvadasxva adgilas Cndeba. `Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia~ warmoadgens masonur ordens, romelic `gareSe~ wevrebs iRebs; habrat zere aur boheri pirdapir

STamomavals warmoadgens Sua saukuneebis rozenkreicerebis Zmobebisa, romlebic egvipturi misteriebidan warmoiSvnen. rupa ----- sxeuli; nebismieri forma. sefira (ebr.) ----- sinaTle. RvTaebis emanacia; aTi sefirotis mSobeli da sinTezi, rodesac sefirotebis xis TavSi dgas. sefirotebi ----- RvTaebis aTi emanacia.svabhavati ----- samyaroebrivi substancia da nivTiereba, anu, ufro sworad, is, rac mis ukan dgas – substanciis umaRlesi suli da arsi. `ded-mama~. es aris materiis plastikuri arsi.svapna ----- transi an sizmrebis xilvis mdgomareoba; naTelmxilveloba. turiia ----- `meoTxe~. cnobierebis umaRlesi safexuri, romelic gonebis zRvrebs miRma mdgomareobas Seesabameba. fohati (tib.) ----- termini, romelic SaqTis (qaluri mwarmoebeli Zalis) aqtiuri (mamakacuri) Zalis warmodgenisTvis ixmareba bunebaSi. kosmosuri eleqtrobis arsi. fohati warmoadgens samyaroebriv mamoZravebel sasicocxlo Zalas, erTdroulad mamoZravebels da amoqmedebuls.SuSupti ----- Rrma Zilis mdgomareobajagati ----- samyaro.jagrata ----- mRviZarobis mdgomareoba cnobierebasTan mimarTebaSi. hiraniagarbha ----- sxivisebri an oqros kvercxi an muceli. ezoterikulad – Suqmfinari `cecxlovani nisli~ an eTeruli nivTiereba, romlisganac samyaro iqna Seqmnili.